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mac · 01-09-2008, 12:48 PM

Well after seeing the results from a few of you I'm thinking of giving HAVOC a try. I have never ran any pct before so I don't have much experience with what to take and how much. I want to get everything in order ahead of time and get the whole cycle planed out. Can someone help me figure out what I need to take as a preload, what to take during the cycle and what to take as a pct?? Right now I am taking creatine cee, aminos, and a multi-vitamin. I have a bottle of milk thistle already as well as hawthore berry and fish oil. But I know there is more that I need to be taking. Any help with this is very much appreciated as I'm new to this. Thanks

hrdgain81 · 01-10-2008, 07:57 AM

milk thistle, fish oil, hawthorne berry are a good start. I would run those a week prior, and all the way through your pct.

as for pct, I've heard havoc is a very forgiving compound, and has only mild testicular shut down associated with it. That being the case, you may be able to get away with a steroidal AI such as ATD for your pct. However, I strongly suggest you pick up some nolva or clomid to make it a true pct, better safe then sorry.

I know this isnt the norm, but I also like to run activate extreme durring my pct to boost free test levels, and I usually find a cheap trib product as well like alpha male, or fuze.

mac · 01-10-2008, 08:10 AM

Thanks Hrdgain I'm gonna start getting those lined up and ready for the cycle.

hrdgain81 · 01-10-2008, 08:57 AM

No problem, and if you have any other questions hit me up.

mac · 01-10-2008, 09:06 AM

Will do man......I'm looking forward to starting this cycle

hrdgain81 · 01-10-2008, 09:51 AM

You know, i wasnt going to share this, cause I'll likely get flamed for it. But I'm about to start a epi-max cycle of my own (its a havoc/epistane clone), perhaps I'll keep a journal on it and we can compare notes.

mac · 01-11-2008, 02:49 PM

sounds good......should I lay off the creatine while on HAVOC

hrdgain81 · 01-12-2008, 05:48 AM

You dont have to, but to me it makes sense to leave that out until pct time. Usually you need every advantage durring pct to keep your cycle gains, so I'd say save it.

mac · 01-12-2008, 03:28 PM

Yeah I think I'll leave it out then thanks

mac · 01-14-2008, 07:09 PM

In the past I've just taken the reccomended doses on the bottles for fish oil, 1 pill 3x day, milk thistle, 1 pill 3xday, and hawthorne berry, 2 or 3 pills 2 or 3x day. For this cycle of HAVOC should I bump these numbers up or are they ok where they are at.

01-09-2008, 12:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
mac Rank: Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 123 Country: Gender:	Havoc???? Well after seeing the results from a few of you I'm thinking of giving HAVOC a try. I have never ran any pct before so I don't have much experience with what to take and how much. I want to get everything in order ahead of time and get the whole cycle planed out. Can someone help me figure out what I need to take as a preload, what to take during the cycle and what to take as a pct?? Right now I am taking creatine cee, aminos, and a multi-vitamin. I have a bottle of milk thistle already as well as hawthore berry and fish oil. But I know there is more that I need to be taking. Any help with this is very much appreciated as I'm new to this. Thanks

01-10-2008, 07:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
hrdgain81 Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,320	milk thistle, fish oil, hawthorne berry are a good start. I would run those a week prior, and all the way through your pct. as for pct, I've heard havoc is a very forgiving compound, and has only mild testicular shut down associated with it. That being the case, you may be able to get away with a steroidal AI such as ATD for your pct. However, I strongly suggest you pick up some nolva or clomid to make it a true pct, better safe then sorry. I know this isnt the norm, but I also like to run activate extreme durring my pct to boost free test levels, and I usually find a cheap trib product as well like alpha male, or fuze.
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01-10-2008, 08:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
hrdgain81 Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,320	No problem, and if you have any other questions hit me up.
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01-10-2008, 09:51 AM	#6 (permalink)
hrdgain81 Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,320	You know, i wasnt going to share this, cause I'll likely get flamed for it. But I'm about to start a epi-max cycle of my own (its a havoc/epistane clone), perhaps I'll keep a journal on it and we can compare notes.
	hrdgain81's Sig:"Your arms too short to box with god, I don't kill soloists, only kill squads" -Nas APT ProWristStraps www.TheLocalSpots.com Built for young professionals on a budget. AIM: TLSCEOMI

01-12-2008, 05:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
hrdgain81 Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,320	You dont have to, but to me it makes sense to leave that out until pct time. Usually you need every advantage durring pct to keep your cycle gains, so I'd say save it.
	hrdgain81's Sig:"Your arms too short to box with god, I don't kill soloists, only kill squads" -Nas APT ProWristStraps www.TheLocalSpots.com Built for young professionals on a budget. AIM: TLSCEOMI

01-10-2008, 08:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
mac Rank: Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 123 Country: Gender:	Thanks Hrdgain I'm gonna start getting those lined up and ready for the cycle.

01-10-2008, 09:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
mac Rank: Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 123 Country: Gender:	Will do man......I'm looking forward to starting this cycle

01-11-2008, 02:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
mac Rank: Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 123 Country: Gender:	sounds good......should I lay off the creatine while on HAVOC

01-12-2008, 03:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
mac Rank: Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 123 Country: Gender:	Yeah I think I'll leave it out then thanks

01-14-2008, 07:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
mac Rank: Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 123 Country: Gender:	In the past I've just taken the reccomended doses on the bottles for fish oil, 1 pill 3x day, milk thistle, 1 pill 3xday, and hawthorne berry, 2 or 3 pills 2 or 3x day. For this cycle of HAVOC should I bump these numbers up or are they ok where they are at.

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