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[Scorcher2005]

Originally Posted by Evanescence

A steroid will not do you any favours besides liver toxicity and serious side effects if you were to take them at your current stage !

Not all steroids are liver toxic

Originally Posted by Evanescence

Steroids are not recommended for anyone less than 26 years of age.

There is no set age, although 17 is definately way too young as the body is still in puberty and they will destroy the natural test production for the rest of life.

Originally Posted by Evanescence

Even using certain steroids you will not have a good .. dry .. solid .. vascular muscle like you will have when you train naturally !

During a real bulk, most people do not stay at the same leanness, which are where cutting cycles (not a steroid cycle) come in.

Originally Posted by Evanescence

Most of the weight you will gain from a steroid will be water retention, which will in turn sore your blood pressure through the roof causing all sorts of problems !

I may be wrong on this one as I've never heard it before, but what does water retention have to do with blood pressure? There are support supplements for both water retention and blood pressure, in addition to liver support, prostate support, etc...

Originally Posted by Evanescence

I'm 29 and have trained naturally for 7 years + and although I do feel like a cycle could help me at this stage, i really dont want serious medical problems in the long term .. not including bad side effects like severe acne ... stunted growth , etc !

Your 29, I think you have stopped growing well over a few years ago. And if you run the cycle correctly you will not have any long term sides.

[Evanescence]

Originally Posted by Scorcher2005

not all steroids are liver toxic :
<<<< Tell me one that isnt liver toxic plus wont give you any sides ?? I think there are none that exist.



There is no set age, although 17 is definately way too young as the body is still in puberty and they will destroy the natural test production for the rest of life.<<<< I never said 26 was a SET age I said 26 would be recommended ... Nobody can give a set age for anything ! But yes at 17 it will destroy his natural test, thats not rocket science !



During a real bulk, most people do not stay at the same leanness, which are where cutting cycles (not a steroid cycle) come in. <<< Perhaps but most look bloated and not lean / vascular.



I may be wrong on this one as I've never heard it before, but what does water retention have to do with blood pressure? There are support supplements for both water retention and blood pressure, in addition to liver support, prostate support, etc... <<<< Im afraid to say you are wrong sorry Water retention will lower your blood pressure , or just for the sake of education here are a few more symptoms of water retention : slower metabolism, fat gain, fatique , cardiovascular problems, headaches, hormone inbalances, joint problems, sleep problems to name just a few !! All signs of Edema ( water retention from a diuretic ! Of course some get more sides than others.

cheers



Your 29, I think you have stopped growing well over a few years ago. And if you run the cycle correctly you will not have any long term sides.

<<<<< Im 29 indeed and i certainly havnt stopped growing by any means so im not sure where you got that from lol .. I have a head turning natural physique anyone would be proud with but im just looking at only 5mg per day of D-bol .... not 30 or 40 a day which most do !

[Joker13]

Originally Posted by Evanescence

<<<<< looking at only 5mg per day of D-bol .... not 30 or 40 a day which most do !

I don't think that would be an effective dose for a guy. Also the reason people will do at least 20mg a day is cause it has a short half life, so to keep your test levels from fluctuating you need to take one every 3-4 hrs.

[Darkhorse]

Damn, 5 mg is a waste of time indeed. 100% correct Joker13.

[Scorcher2005]

Evan, you definately need to read up A LOT more on A LOT of things. 5mg is just a waste of money. Thats like just taking 100g of protein/day and calling it good. In addition to being a waste of money, you shouldnt run a d-bol only cycle. And by stop growing, i didnt mean muscular wise, i meant the whole bone thing where your body grows vertically.