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ba0412 · 09-05-2007, 08:27 PM

Everything that i have read always talks about stacking. all the sites selling gear have beginner cycles that usually stack test and d-bol. do i have to stack. my main concern is aggravating my male pattern hair loss. what gains do you guys think i could achieve by taking only one, milder substance such as primo, deca, winstrol, or equipoise?

hrdgain81 · 09-06-2007, 05:37 AM

Well there are certain things that you simply dont want to use alone because of the side effects they carry. I am by no means an expert, but deca without test is a libido killer, and winstrol alone isnt going to produce noticable gains. Also of the "milder" substances you posted, I would say winstrol is the only one thats actually mild.

the dbol test stack is most likely your best bet, I dont believe either either of them convert to DHT, (but dont quote me on that). Definately do much more research before you start.

ba0412 · 09-06-2007, 08:38 AM

ok maybe milder wasn't the right word to use, however, the common theme seems to be that they work at about half speed compared to test (at least from what i have read, i don't really know). and from what i have read the side affects are not as bad either. i was just wondering if it would be effective to take say primo (i didn't know about the libido factor of deca, ill be staying away from that) by itself without stacking

hrdgain81 · 09-06-2007, 12:53 PM

I wish I could help more, I no less then nothing about primo ... but if you decide to research it more please post up what you find, I'm sure others would be interested as wel.

hackskii · 09-13-2007, 08:05 AM

Testosterone does convert to DHT via the 5-alpha reductase enzyme.

Primo is weak and expensive.
Winstrol gives me some stiff joints and little growth and jacked my lipid profile.

I am on D-bol and test right now, killer combo but I would recommend taking an AI with that as both aromitize.

sdf42450 · 10-09-2007, 08:34 AM

the reason for stacking is to tweak your supplements to give you the best gains:sides ratio.

maybe you can't handle 1g/wk of test, but perhaps 500mg/wk test + 400mg/wk EQ you don't get bad side effects but still get better gains than just 500mg/wk of test alone.

Dr X · 10-10-2007, 03:46 PM

Straight test is the best way to go if you don't want to stack substances.

sdf42450 · 10-10-2007, 07:45 PM

if you're primary concern is hair loss you can either go with something like test + a dht blocker (finasteride) or you can go with a more anabolic substance like eq/primo/deca. i'd highly recommend going with short ester gear until you gauge your response to the compound you're using. ie go with test prop instead of test cyp so that if you DO have problems that can't be easily controlled with finasteride that you get it outta your system quickly.

09-05-2007, 08:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
ba0412 Rank: New Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 9	why stack? Everything that i have read always talks about stacking. all the sites selling gear have beginner cycles that usually stack test and d-bol. do i have to stack. my main concern is aggravating my male pattern hair loss. what gains do you guys think i could achieve by taking only one, milder substance such as primo, deca, winstrol, or equipoise?
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09-06-2007, 05:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
hrdgain81 Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,564	Well there are certain things that you simply dont want to use alone because of the side effects they carry. I am by no means an expert, but deca without test is a libido killer, and winstrol alone isnt going to produce noticable gains. Also of the "milder" substances you posted, I would say winstrol is the only one thats actually mild. the dbol test stack is most likely your best bet, I dont believe either either of them convert to DHT, (but dont quote me on that). Definately do much more research before you start.
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09-06-2007, 08:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
ba0412 Rank: New Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 9	ok maybe milder wasn't the right word to use, however, the common theme seems to be that they work at about half speed compared to test (at least from what i have read, i don't really know). and from what i have read the side affects are not as bad either. i was just wondering if it would be effective to take say primo (i didn't know about the libido factor of deca, ill be staying away from that) by itself without stacking
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09-06-2007, 12:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
hrdgain81 Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,564	I wish I could help more, I no less then nothing about primo ... but if you decide to research it more please post up what you find, I'm sure others would be interested as wel.
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10-09-2007, 08:34 AM	#6 (permalink)
sdf42450 Rank: Member Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 425	the reason for stacking is to tweak your supplements to give you the best gains:sides ratio. maybe you can't handle 1g/wk of test, but perhaps 500mg/wk test + 400mg/wk EQ you don't get bad side effects but still get better gains than just 500mg/wk of test alone.
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09-13-2007, 08:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
hackskii Rank: New Member Experience: 10+ Years Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4 Country: Gender:	Testosterone does convert to DHT via the 5-alpha reductase enzyme. Primo is weak and expensive. Winstrol gives me some stiff joints and little growth and jacked my lipid profile. I am on D-bol and test right now, killer combo but I would recommend taking an AI with that as both aromitize.

10-10-2007, 03:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dr X Rank: Lightweight Experience: 10+ Years Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in the deep recesses of your mind Posts: 1,043 Country: Gender:	Straight test is the best way to go if you don't want to stack substances.
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10-10-2007, 07:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
sdf42450 Rank: Member Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 425	if you're primary concern is hair loss you can either go with something like test + a dht blocker (finasteride) or you can go with a more anabolic substance like eq/primo/deca. i'd highly recommend going with short ester gear until you gauge your response to the compound you're using. ie go with test prop instead of test cyp so that if you DO have problems that can't be easily controlled with finasteride that you get it outta your system quickly.
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