|06-26-2007, 08:56 PM||#4|
| Kal |
Rank: New Member
Join Date: Jan 2007
I just took dbol and clen together
I did 25mg of dbol for 3 weeks. On the last week I through in the clen. I took the clen for 2 weeks and am now on a break. I will be starting the clen again for another 2 weeks starting in 5 days.
I know this cycle isn't typically recommended but I feel for what I wanted to accomplish that this was the best thing for me. To eloborate, I had done one cycle(my first and only) for 3 months of anadrol, omandren and sustanon. This cycle I took now was just to add some of the muscle I had lost in the 4 months since I ended my first cycle. The 3 weeks of dbol gave me the added 6lbs of muscle I was looking for before I wanted to start cutting up. I was doing a lot of cardio when I was on the dbol as well because my main objective was to shred.
I have only done 2 weeks of clen and when I am done the next 2 weeks, I will update this thread on how it worked for me. So far, my first two weeks on clen were not great. I found my muscles took longer then usual to heal and I experienced some minor cramping.
So far I went from avg. 190 - 192lbs to maxing out at 198lbs and now stabilized 195lbs. I ate a lot on this cycle but did very intensive cardio workouts. The last time I checked my body fat several months ago was @ 17%. This is before I started doing cardio. If I had to guess, I would say now i'm at 15% at best. I am trying to get to 10 - 12%.
Sorry for the long post, just thought I throw my 0.02cents in as a point of reference.
|07-21-2007, 03:35 AM||#7|
| The IronBull |
Experience: 10+ Years
Join Date: Jan 2007
Why didnt you use Winny and Clen?
And bro, your first cycle
Not what you would exactly call a beginner cycle.
I hope you had some Nolva or a AI.
Also, with Clen, you'll have receptor downgrade. To combat this, you can take Benadryl, at around 50-100mgs/night before bed (at the beginning of every 3rd week or so, for that week). However, Beta receptors are embedded in the cell's outer phospholipid membrane. The stability of the membrane has a lot to do with the proper function of the receptors. Methylation of the phospholipids is stimulated by the binding of beta agonists to their receptors. Methylated phospholipids are foreign to the body, and when the body recognizes tham as foreign, it breaks them down with phospholipase A2. This changes the structure of the outer membrane which results in desensitizaton of the beta receptors. On the other hand, agents that inhibit phospholipase A2 slow desensitization.
Cationic ampiphylic drugs are known for their ability to inhibit phospholipase A2. Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is a cationic ampiphylic drug.
Ergo, Benadryl slows desensitization of Beta receptors (i.e. Upgrades them) by inhibiting phospholipase A2, which is the enzyme that breaks down methylated phospholipids, and this action in turn keeps the phospholipid membrane stable, and thus keeps the receptors functioning properly. This will allow you to use clen for much longer and it'll still have the same effects. Also, since Benadryl is an anti-histamine, and histamines have a direct effect on beta-adrenoreceptors (not just Beta-2ís but all of them), using an anti-histamine will have a direct effect on reducing beta-receptor stimulation, and thus upregulating your beta-receptors.