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Old 03-12-2005, 01:27 AM   #1
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If this is your first time around I implore you to go with just a Test only cycle (d-bol is fine to add), combine that with a 4000-5000 calorie a day strict clean diet, along with 8 hours of good sleep every night, and last but not least a sound training program that kicks your ass. You will be amazed by the results. Wait to begin stacking until you know how you react to the Test.

BULKING CYCLES

What should be your first cycle...Test only
Week 1-10 400-500mg Test Enth or Cyp. (2 shots per week)
PCT (14 days after last shot for Enth., 18 days for Cyp)
Day 1 300mg Clomid, Day 2-11 100mg clomid, day 12-21 50mg clomid
Week 13-15 20mg Nolva ED

Possible additions...
Week 1-4 D-bol 25-35 mg ED (spread throughout day at 3-4 hour intervals)
Week 1-12 .25mg or L-dex ED (if the bloat is too much for you)
Week 1-12 10mg Nolva ED (if you are prone to gyno, not if you simply think you are prone)

The longer esters (Enth or Cyp) of Test are more ideal for a first cycle based on the fact that this should be your first time pinning yourself. As such having to jab 1-2 times per week would be more easily accomplished then Prop with ED injects. The D-bol is optional as a kick start to the cycle before the Test kicks in. I prefer PCT with a CLomid and Nolva combo, some might say this is overkill and if you are one of them then Clomid only is fine as outlined above.

Second Stack...add 1 new compound
Week 1-4 25-35mg D-bol ED (spread throughout day at 3-4 hour intervals)
Week 1-12 500mg Test Enth or Cyp. (2 shots per week)
Week 1-11 400mg Deca or EQ (2 shots per week)
PCT (21 days after last shot of Deca or EQ)
Same PCT as above, Clomid and Nolva

Possible additions...
Week 1-14 100-200mg Vitamin B6 ED (to keep Deca gyno at bay)
Week 1-14 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)
Week 1-14 .25mg or L-dex ED (if the bloat is too much for you)

Keeping with the standard "Test as the base of all cycles" rule, simply add 1 new compound with each additional cycle. Because as witht he Test in the first cycle, you never know how your body will react. Deca is great for adding bulk during a cycle as well as lubricating the joints to prevent against injury, EQ is a great substitute for Deca.

Third stack...add 1 new compound
Week 1-4 25-35mg D-bol ED (spread throughout day at 3-4 hour intervals)
Week 1-12 500mg Test Enth, Cyp.(2 shots per week) , Or Sustanon (preferably shot EOD)
Week 1-11 400mg Deca or EQ (2 shots per week)
Week 8-14 50mg Winny ED
PCT (21 days after last shot with Deca/1 day after last Winny shot/tab)
Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

Possible additions...
Week 1-14 100-200mg Vitamin B6 ED (to keep Deca gyno at bay)
Week 1-14 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)
Week 1-14 .25mg or L-dex ED (if the bloat is too much for you)

In this cycle, the next addition/possibility was two-fold.
1) The option of using Sustanon, a blend of 4 different Test esters, all with different half-lives that make this option best used EOD. Some good gains have been made with 2 jabs per week but that does not take full advantage of the esters and negates the reason for using Sust.
2) Winny is good for those who are looking to "harden up" towards the end of a wet cycle such as Test/Deca/D-bol. It doesn't provide much in the area of mass gains but can make your physique look more cut up, provided your bf% is low enough.

Fourth Stack...add 1 new compound
Week 1-4 25-35mg D-bol ED
Week 1-12 500mg Test Enth, Cyp. (2 shots per week), Or Sustanon (shot EOD)
Week 1-11 200mg Deca with a large frontload or 400mg EQ
Week 7-12 or 9-14 50-75mg Tren Acetate ED or 100-150mg EOD
PCT (21 days after last shot with Deca/Sust or 3 days after last Tren shot)
Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

Possible additions...
Week 1-14 200mg Vitamin B6 ED (to keep Deca/Tren gyno at bay)
Week 1-14 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)
Week 1-14 .25mg or L-dex ED (if the bloat is too much for you)

Ahhh, the the moment we have all been waiting for the introduction of Tren into a cycle (not really though as Tren and its side effects are not for everyone). IMO, start slow with the Tren, either do 50mg ED or 100mg EOD...if necessary (which it probably won't be) push it up to 75mg ED or 150mg EOD. I really like the idea of lubricating the joints with Deca when using Tren. Who wants to tear up the tendons and ligaments from those tremendous strength increases, possibly run something on the order of 200mg per week with a large frontload the first few weeks agains, EQ can be substituted for the Deca.

CUTTING CYCLES

Any stack can work as both a bulker or cutter as diet plays the most important part in deciding this, some compounds are simply prefered for one or the other for certain properties. Ex. D-bol=massive water retention, Winny=dry, lean gains

First cutting cycle...Test only
Week 1-8 50-75mg Test Prop ED or 100-150mg EOD (ideally ED not EOD)
PCT (2 Days after last shot)
Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

Possible additions...
Week 1-8 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)

For cutting, less bloat is desirable, as such Test Prop is the choice to go with. Idealy, it should be shot ED though results can still be seen with EOD jabs.

Second cutting stack...add 1 new item
Week 1-8 75mg Test Prop ED or 150mg EOD (ideally ED not EOD)
Week 3-8 50mg Winny ED
PCT (2 Days after last shot/tab)
Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

Possible additions...
Week 1-8 Nolva 10mg ED (if you are prone to gyno)

Again, Test Prop with the addition of some Winny for its "hardening" effect. For Winny, the route of its administration is entriely up to you. Many users report Winny to be a very annoying/burning compound to pin. As such, though the bioavailability will decrease slightly, oral administration is better unless you have something to dilute the Winny with such as your daily Test Prop injection.

Third cutting stack...add 1 new item
Week 1-8 50-75mg Test Prop ED or 150mg EOD (ideally ED not EOD)
Week 1-8 50mg Tren Acetate ED or 100mg EOD
PCT (2 Days after last shot of Prop, 3 days after last shot of Tren)
Same PCT as above. Clomid and Nolva

Test Prop and Tren Ace can be used as a cutter, but the Test/Tren combo is so strong that you can bulk like crazy while droping some bf% as Tren seems to have some properties that help with VAT fat burning (as does Anavar).

CLOSING STATEMENTS:

I do not use or endorse the use of any illegal supplements...this is all just role playing and I am not liable for any misuse.

With that said...as you can tell most of the cycles utilize many of the same compounds. Other compounds can be used to replace some such as...Anadrol in place of D-bol for more experienced users. More exotic/expensive compounds such as Anavar would be a great addition to just about any cycle. Also there are many different esters of almost all of the injectable steroids...they can be substituted in the place of their cousins already listed with the appropriate pinning schedule revisions. (Ex. Tren Enth in place of Tren Acetate or Nandrolone Phenylprop in place of Deca).

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Wow made my first sticky...Great information for people at all levels in the game.
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Definitely really good info!
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Some real detailed info in there, thanks for sharing Fpot.
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I actually wrote that up for the guys at the BN board a while back and just figured I would do a little cut and paste action to share with the guys here.

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Well I knew it was worthy of a Sticky at BN too,but now that I have some power I CAN make it a sticky here!Thanks for writing it for people to see.
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Thanks for making it a sticky...there is a first for everything.

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Cool, I always thought it should have been a sticky over at BN too.
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