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Old 06-11-2006, 03:17 PM   #11
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Eventually I do plan on taking them. For now, I will work on getting stronger naturally and focusing on a strict diet. Thanks for everyones imput.
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Old 06-11-2006, 06:42 PM   #12
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You said 3 pills a day but what does that mean? Are the 5mg or 10mg? D-bol is liver toxic so liver protection is in order. You will put on weight and gain strength but its mostly water and is best used in conjunction with test which is an injectible. PCT is a must or the little gains you get will be for nothing and your more likely to end up in worse shape then you started. Sooooooo my advice is never take a steroid until you are over 21 and IMO you should be at least 25. You are nowhere near your genetic limit and with proper training and diet you have years of great gains ahead of you.

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Old 06-12-2006, 05:00 AM   #13
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i have to apologize, I should have included this in the original post.

PCT or Post Cycle Therapy is a classification for the substances you take after an aas cycle. When you force false anabolic/androgenic substances into your body, your body doesnt need to make its own, so those processes shut down. PCT products will help bring back your bodies natural hormone production. Do a search, read as much as possible and you will find that you have a long way to go before you need to be using aas.

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Old 06-15-2006, 01:32 PM   #14
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Shame on you all. The person who placed the question is going to use the dbol no matter what we say, that is why the person is asking for help. I do personally agree with what you say about waiting, as using steroids will halt any natural gains, and a bodybuilder can become bigger if they become as big a possible naturally, and then get gains from using "Performance enhancing drugs", remember they are performance enhancing, and not the answer for building a big physique. Diet, rest, training must all be in place.

Now I used Dbol only cycle for my first cycle when I was 21, I had been training since the age of 16, and had a proper diet, training and rest plan from a former Mr Britain since I was 18. Therefore I had been finding what worked for for 3 years until I started my first cycle. I took 10mg per day for my first week, 15 mg per day for my second week, 20 mg per day for week 3 and 4, 15 mg per day for week 5 and 10 mg for week 6, and so I used the pyramid method. This within itself will help restore natural test levels, as your body gets use to producing less, as you are putting more in synthetically, and then slowly drop it, which then means your body will start to produce more naturally to meet the shortfall. Remember your body can uptake the equivalent to 10 to 15 mg of dbol per day without shutting off (you will simply produce less naturally), however a pct should still be put in anyway to ensure elavation of natural test levels. Tamoxifen ia commonly used, this is essentially an esogen blocker, however it rases leutzen levels, which in turn aids elevation of test levels, you should start a pct, after the half life of the last administation has finished, so for test, 2 weeks later is needed. For dbol 24 hrs to 48 hrs max will start. 20mg of tamoxifen for 10-14 days will be sufficent. HCG is the most effcient way howver this is done through an injection.

From my first cycle of dbol I gained 12 pounds, and after being off the dbol for 8 weeks, and after loosing the slight water retention gained, I was 9 pounds heavier than when I had started (i was evidently bigger in the delts and upper back, and arms). So gains are good, and by keeping the dosage low, you are putting less strain on the liver. Remember this was a six week cycle, the average test and deca cycle is 12 weeks, and even though it is less toxic, the cumulative effect, the potential for infection etc off sets the risk. Rember in the words of dave palumbo in muscular development, orals pass through the liver twice, injectables once, you do the math.

Using the dbol
Forgetting about the androgenic affect as we are bodybuilders we are not bothered about how much weight we shift, just on building quality muscle, so we do not need to use a high amount of the steroid to get strength gains.
Dbol has the affect of boosting protein synthisis, which for a bodybuilder means that the protein undertaken is synthisised at a slower rate, therfore meaning more potential protein available to the muscle. The drug lasts for 2 and a half hours so when taking the dbol take with a meal containing 40g of protein (this will also stop gastural discomfort), and 2 hrs later another meal containing 40g of protein. Keep protein levels high eat 40g every 2 to 2 and ahalf hours throughout the day. you should consume 10mg per serving so anything above this, have at a later dose, never have more than 30mg, as research suggests that anything above this in one day is actually wasted (androgens present in pee test etc).

When using dbol
Pyramid the dose

when over 10mg but on or below 30mg split the dose in to 2 doses half in mid morning, the other half mid afternoon, as this will give you the benefits for a longer time.

Keep protein levels high, eat 40g serving of protein every 2 to 2 and a half hours.

Drink plent of water

Milk thistle is beleived to protect the liver

PCT is advisable but at lower levels, and using the pyramid method means you will be ok if not done.

Train early morning if possible, natuaral test and growth hormone levels are higher then so this will aid recovery, undertake first dose of dbol 3 hrs after the workout, thus keeping test levels high.

(Also ensure you have an effect training split, and get plety of rest)
remember dbol is a performing enhancer, and so will ensure gains if training, rest, and nutrition plan is efective.
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Old 06-15-2006, 01:58 PM   #15
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Shame on you all. The person who placed the question is going to use the dbol no matter what we say,
And that's our responsibility how? What a person puts in their bodies is not under our control. However a person who would launch into any kind of "performance enhancment" without knowing even the first thing about it or the basic terminology is not ready for it. When someone bothers to look at the wealth of info that is already on this site and elsewhere before they buy something that my be an indication of thier level of responsibility.

If you want to give someone specific advice, then go for it. The others gave the advice they felt comfortable with and sent the message they wanted to send. You have no right to "shame" anyone. And I noticed you glossed over liver protection with only one short line about what milk thistle is "belived" to do. I'm pretty sure D-Bol is a known liver toxin. And do you really think it's responsible to ensure someone that pct is not really necessary with your pyramiding protocol? You might want to back that up.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 06-15-2006, 02:35 PM   #16
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Thanks for your response mate! Do you not think morally and ethically we have a duty to inform people when they ask a question? read my first paragraph you will see that I agreed with what you everyone had said, the person is not ready, what I disagree with is the fact no one offered anything constructive. If someone was on the floor injured, would you walk past and say not my problem, if someone came up to you and asked for directions would you ignore them? the answer is hopefully no, as we are not ignorant. The use of most pct drugs that are commonly used are not scientifctly proven, as they were not invented for the reasons we use them for, ie tamoxifen was invented for breast cancer.

All PCT's can have the effect of rebound, and so do the opposite effect. Again as stated all pct's do is aid the rise in test levels, and do not restore them itself, the levels will rise naturally, however a pct is employed generally to raise test levels quicker to keep the gains.

As I said before most pct's have not been proven to work. Also as one stated before pyramiding down helps as you are lowering synthtic steroids, and so this wll help natural levels to kick back in, and as I stated before a PCT is recommended, however you should be ok if you don't as you have started to aid natural levels by pyramiding down. Now the proof, if you will read many medical articles about methansterlone, you will notice that this is prescibed for wasting conditions such as anorexia and aids. Certainly in the case of anorexia, the dr will advocate 10-15mg per day for 4 weeks, and then will slowly ween the patient off. This is done to help raise natural test levels back to normal. Speek to your dr, I have, and he/she will explain this.

Again liver therapy should be used, this will ensure health, longevity, and avoid hepatitis, however again this is the commonly neglected area, and providing dosage is kept low, and providing you have at least double the time off as you had on ie at 6 weeks on 12 weeks off, this should be ok. Remember most problems reported on DBOL is on doses 40 mg or above, doses below and there has been no real reports. Again everyone is different and so respond in different ways, and so that is why liver threaphy is advisable.
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Ok. My response was to the first line of your post. As far the moral and ethical question I'll pm you my answer so the thread is not hyjacked.

The other info I will leave to people more knowledgable than me on this. It's not my field which is why I never give specific advice!
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If someone was on the floor injured, would you walk past and say not my problem, if someone came up to you and asked for directions would you ignore them?
If someone was injured lying on the floor I would tell them to stay there and not tell them how to rehabilitate their injury....if someone asked for directions I would tell them the best way I THINK they should go...either way I would advise them on how to proceed in their best interests and not simply address their question...the reason why they are asking the question is because they dont know shit about fuck....

And how can you possibly compare these scenarios to taking a cycle of steroids? If someone asked you how to jump off a bridge or how to make a noose.....would you answer their question?

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Hey man I gave him advice, I think a d-bol only cycle is a waste of money. Said LOOK INTO SUSTANON AND DECA! there i put it in caps I dont think I need to make it even clearer. If hes just DIEING to do some type of anabolics, then thats what I would recommend. I dont even think hes needs the deca to be honest just some test would be perfect for a first cycle.

british bb wouldnt you think it would be a smart idea to keep some anti-E's on hand incase of puffy nips during the cycle I mean wouldnt that be a VERY SMART IDEA? CJE3200 I would highly recommend investing in some type of anti-E no matter what anyone else says BEFORE you start the cycle, cuz lets say you cant get your hand on them when problems do occur? just my two cents, I want to see Dr.X's opinion on this situation
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I thought I gave him good advice. However he dosen't even know his own dose so I asked him what 3 pills meant. When a newbie makes blanket statements about taking steroids without doing research what kind of answer do you expect?

Hell I guess I should of just hooked him up with a source.
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