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Old 06-06-2007, 06:41 AM   #21
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Just dont forget schorcher, no matter how much havoc you take, you should keep your wieght progressions constant. Stick to 5-10lbs a week IMO. Not because you cant progress more quickly then that, but because your joints/ligaments/tendons arent being strengthened at the same rate at which your muscles are. So if you go in with the mind set, I'm taking more havoc, I'll push more wieght, your setting yourself up for injury.

Trust, I've made that mistake before, and it wont ever happen again.

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Old 06-06-2007, 12:35 PM   #22
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Thanks for reminding me of that, i had forgotten that point. My point was that i only increased by 2 reps at the same weight from the previous workout. I didn't really go up that much as hoped and continue the same progression as previous workouts.

Also, any advice on those rows?
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Old 06-06-2007, 01:09 PM   #23
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Rows are a bitch to discuss, only because there are so many different kids, and people all call them different things. When you say T-bar, my initial thought is a machine that you almost lay on, and you grab the handles palms facing down, then row up to your chest.

personally I like rows like these LINK the page calls them T-bar rows, but thats not what they are. I like standing rows like this for pushing through sticking points. you can use your whole body, unlike when you isolate with machines, which means more wieght.

Which type have you been doing? Its hard to explain sometimes, and if what i wrote doesnt make sense let me know.
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Old 06-06-2007, 05:32 PM   #24
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Originally when i did T-bar rows, i meant exactly what the link said. I put a barbell in the corner and on the opposite end i put some weight. I then just tucked a cable row handle under the bar and rowed it. By machine rows, i meant the machine with the chest support pad.
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Old 06-07-2007, 06:17 AM   #25
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ok, how strict is your form on the T-bars? I know this isnt popular to say, but if you relax on the form a little, and get your legs, arms, back into the lift, you will be able to move more wieght. Just make sure your lower back is locked, you dont really want to be using that for t-bars, and make your movements as explosive as possible.

If that doesnt help, I would switch it up to seated cable rows, for a week or two, just to get some variety, and hit the muscle group a little differently, then go back to T-bar.
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Normally, the reps are strict with a straight back. Its just the last couple of reps on the last couple of reps I put in a little more whole body to get it up.
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Old 06-11-2007, 07:18 AM   #27
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Sorry I havent updated this in a while. But because of my new class schedule, I can't make it to the gym on Tues-Wed. Therefore I'm making those my new off days, opposed to the weekends. So for my Wed workout, I moved it to Fri. My Fri workout will be today. Then this next week i will workout Thurs, Sat, Mon. But here's how my Fri workout went down:
Mil Press 95x5, 115x5, 120x5, 125x2
BB Shrug 135x10, 185x10
UH Pullups Bodyx5, +25lbs x 5, +30lbs x 5, +35lbs x 5 (Last one spotted)
Rev Grip BB Curl
OVH DB Ext 80x5, 90x5, 105x3 (Last one spot)

I went with my buddy again who was the good spotter. I didn't do the squats because I feel when i do them on Weds my body doesnt recover enough.

I thought I was going to get 125 x 5, especially since i got 120 x 5 easily (which is still progress from last time).

I went to start loading the bar for DL when i realized i forgot my pants. I was pissed that i didnt get to do them. There is no way i will ever do DL without pants again as the knurl on the bar tears the shit out of my shins.

So i was going to do the dumbell shrugs but my buddy wanted to do barbell. I was going to do a set with 225 but i just couldnt hold it because it was trying to roll out of my hands.

I made decent gains on the Pullups. I almost got the 5th one my self and last time i had a spot the last 2, neither of which i almost completed my self. I think I'll be doing more of these today.

The Barbell Curl idea was my buddy's. He started with 35 x 10 and progressively added weight each set and did 8, 6, 4, 2, 1 then deloaded the bar and went 2, 4, 6, 8, 10. I started on the 35 x 10 and made it to 95 x 1, then ended at 65x10.

I thought i could get that 105 from how easily my 90x5 was. Even though it doesnt look like much, my triceps were sore as shit the next 2 days.

Now I'm hoping for an awesome workout today!
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Hit the gym yesterday. Dissapointed :-/ I started my warm up for squats and my back started getting some pain so i called it quits. I substituted with some leg presses (flame suit on).

Squat 135x5
Leg Presses 200x5, 400x5, 580x5, 670x4
Bench 135x5, 185x5, 165x6, 175x5
T-Bar Rows 90x5, 135x5, 180x5, 180x5, 135x10
WG Pulldowns 180x5, 210x5, 220x5

At least the 670x4 on the leg press was a PR. Prolly coulda got the 5th one but my legs started cramping up after the first one and I didnt wanna press too hard.

Stalled out on bench. Gonna try an intensity phase this coming week for mostly everything.

I started the 180 on the T bar and after the first 2 i had to put it down because i felt like throwing up. So i paused and then pumped out my 5 reps.

The 220x5 on WG Pulldowns was a PR as well.
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I've been keeping up with your routine and it's been a month now but I am curious what sort of muscle gains/size you have made. Have your arms went from 17" to 18" (or whatever) and have you seen a sizable gain in your chest/back from using Havoc?
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Definately made gains with the Havoc as you can see. I was pretty much at a huge stall and my bench was stuck at 165 for longer than i can remember. Its now at 185. I didn't take any pre measurements, but like i stated earlier on, my wife can definately tell a difference whereas before she rarely saw a difference.


I seem to have come to a new stall. But i did some analyzing and came to a conclusion. Lately (Its fixed now) i was slacking on my diet. Not all around, but on the protein part. One day i only had 110g. Some other days were as low as 150. That went on for at least 4 days straight or so. So i guess it was my fault and not that the Havoc stopped working that i stalled. But I'm about done with this cycle. The cramps were getting a little worse, plus because i took all those extra days due to an unexpected family vacation and new class dates i dont have enough havoc. So for this last week I have cut it back down to 30mg/day. i think that should be enough through an "intensity" phase of 3x3.

Also, something else i somehow lost track of was the mentality that i am doing a 5x5. If you notice, thats how the journal started out and now its pretty much just buiulding up to a max set. That may also be why i stalled out.

So in conclusion, i pretty much just lost track of everything i was doing. Anyone else ever encounter this problem?
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