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Old 08-04-2010, 01:32 AM   #11
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Hey DvL,

I'd go something along the lines of this:

Test E @ 600mgs a week for 12 weeks.
Deca @ 400mgs a week for 12 weeks.
Dbol @ 30mgs every day for 2 to 3 weeks, its up to you how long.
HCG 250iu twice per week for the entire cycle, and keep using for 2 weeks past your last injection.
Letro, Arim, or Arom at a low dose ED all through the cycle.

Have Nolva and Clomid on hand just in case, but I really doubt you'll need any;)
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Hey DvL,

I'd go something along the lines of this:

Test E @ 600mgs a week for 12 weeks.
Deca @ 400mgs a week for 12 weeks.
Dbol @ 30mgs every day for 2 to 3 weeks, its up to you how long.
HCG 250iu twice per week for the entire cycle, and keep using for 2 weeks past your last injection.
Letro, Arim, or Arom at a low dose ED all through the cycle.

Have Nolva and Clomid on hand just in case, but I really doubt you'll need any;)
I seriously wouldn't add Letro to any cycle, letro will kill off every last bit of estrogen in ones body and we need estrogen to build muscle. Only use letro as a last resort for gyno reversal.

Armidex or Stan are ok but again they are to be kept on hand incase of ERSE.

And you appear to have missed out pct??

Yes hcg can be used throughout the cycle to reduce testicular shrinkage but and pct is still needed...

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I seriously wouldn't add Letro to any cycle, letro will kill off every last bit of estrogen in ones body and we need estrogen to build muscle. Only use letro as a last resort for gyno reversal.

Armidex or Stan are ok but again they are to be kept on hand incase of ERSE.

And you appear to have missed out pct??

Yes hcg can be used throughout the cycle to reduce testicular shrinkage but and pct is still needed...
Well with the Letro you simply split the tabs into quaters, its very easy done with a tablet splitter;) You see with Letro you can't go wrong, it covers all bases and you can dose the gear as high as you like with Letro.

I didn't miss out on PCT, I am one of those people who believe that clomid and/or nolva are not needed after a cycle. If the user never touches HCG then when he comes off cycle his Test will be low which means his Estrogen will also be low, we all have a Test to Estrogen Ratio in the body, this means he needs as much Estrogen as he can get when he comes off cycle Now if he does use HCG then after the cycle he should be okay to just keep on training as usuall, but as I did say in my previous post it is a good idea to have Nolva and Clomid on hand just in case.

I would also recommend running Natural Test boosters during the entire cycle even if your on HCG.
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Yes you can split the letro tablets in quarter but your still using a sledge hammer to knock in a tiny nail. As i said, letro should only ever be used in extreme cases for gyno reversal. A standard ai such as stan or L-dex is more than enough..

From what you have said above you seem to have little idea of why we use a pct. When a person comes off a cycle his natural test will be low, however estrogen will still be the dominate factor but were not taking nolva or clomid to suppress estrogen. Nolva doesnt suppress estrogen it just blocks it from breast receptors.

We are running a pct to help reboot ones hpta and in turn get ones own natural test production back on line as quick as possible..
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OILS, Obviously, you one of those is who does not understand importance PCT
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Yes you can split the letro tablets in quarter but your still using a sledge hammer to knock in a tiny nail. As i said, letro should only ever be used in extreme cases for gyno reversal. A standard ai such as stan or L-dex is more than enough..

From what you have said above you seem to have little idea of why we use a pct. When a person comes off a cycle his natural test will be low, however estrogen will still be the dominate factor but were not taking nolva or clomid to suppress estrogen. Nolva doesnt suppress estrogen it just blocks it from breast receptors.

We are running a pct to help reboot ones hpta and in turn get ones own natural test production back on line as quick as possible..
I think I am starting to agree with you about letro cause I have been running letro ED whilst on my current cycle and I am almost certain it has taken away too much Estrogen. Last time I ran no AI at all and I grew nicely but after a while my BP increased a bit, so I thought this time I would run Letro, anyway as you can quite clearly see, I am experimenting with different compounds seeing what does and what does not work for me. I still gain with the letro, but at a slower pace.

I think it would be wise to use HCG all the way through the cycle, this way the natural test can be running the whole time, makes perfect sense to me.
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OILS, Obviously, you one of those is who does not understand importance PCT
I don't completely agree with bombarding the body with even more chemicals and drugs after the cycle has finished. Drugs such as Nolva and Clomid are toxic to the body, not many people realise this, they think becuase its a prescription medication that its perfectly safe, well it isn't safe.
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hi guys! It's been awhile

During past 12 months I have some cycles, a short cycles to be correct – 3x3 with test prop and orals. I found that the smal doses of deca or oxy bring me gyno on the first week, but also good mass … the bromokreptin gives me side effects.

On this time i’m running 12 week sicle with 750 mg. омнадрен and 50 mg. stan 1-3 weeks (+ some more orals after stan).

On this time my weight is 80 kg. (not much water), I added pretty good in work weight.

On those short cycles I don’t use HCG, so I will now + possibly I use anastrozol, (but I don’t have problems with estro before - subjectively). After 12 weeks I will have rest for 4 weeks, possibly do clomid and proviron…

I welcome advices
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