methyl 1-d xl cycle
 

hey guys, brand new to the site. trying to get some inside info on what im about to jump back into. first off -

current
age - 21
height - 5' 10"
weight -152

i went to gnc 2 days ago and told the store clerk my situation. i used to lift hard 4-5 days a week with a day of cardio back in 2005. i went consistently for a solid 4-5 months, and the skinny kid that people had always known me to be had disappeared. i went from around 130 to closer to 160 within this time, with the help of protein/creatine/m1t when it was legal. ive retained some of the muscle i had, but being idle for 2 years really built up some extra fat.

he told me i could jump back on an anabolic right away to help me get back to where i was, so he told me to buy methyl 1-d xl from LG. i started 3 days ago, but i was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this stuff?

From what I understand, it sucks...it's a pretty much useless product. I think the guy made somewhere around $5.00 for selling you the stuff though. I would return it and get my money back if I were you.

damn. well, i wish i could, but now im about 15 pills deep and i dont think they'd take it back. i guess ill be the guinea pig for anyone who hasnt taken it. it has given me quite the pump in the gym and gives me that alpha-male kind of feeling, we'll see how much mass it helps me throw on.

i also had no idea that those guys make commission off of what you buy. i figured it was just on muscletech products since gnc and them have some sort of agreement going on.

thanks for the advice

You can still take it back if you have the receipt and they might take it back even if you don't. I don't know if there are many reviews of it on this forum, but if you look on some of the other forums (bb.com, anabolicminds.com, etc) then you'll get an idea of what kind of product it is. GNC doesn't sell a product similar to what you thought the M1D was..... I believe M1D is just DHEA and ATD. So...you're probably just going to see a boost in libido and no gains that you could credit to the supp.

little update for you guys.. well ross really. on day 21 of my cycle, started off at 152 and im now at 159. im also taking creakic and lots and lots of protein every day, but ive gotten significantly stronger during this time. 1 week left to go, starting to take 4 instead of 6 a day to ween myself down easily.

Good to hear that you've put on some weight/strength. I wish you had a reference point so you could know if you could credit any of the gains to the M1D. Why waste your money on Creakic? There are many other equally effective, yet much cheaper alternatives. Explain weening yourself off of M1D...what is your logic behind that? Sounds like you have your diet down...at least you're getting enough calories. Have most of the gains been lean so far?

There is never a good reason to "ween" yourself off of a cycle. I'm not real familiar with M1D, but if a compound shuts you down, and you need to do a pct, dropping the dosage down before you start pct will hurt you more then help.

Once you start your cycle, and the compound shuts down your bodies natty test production, then your shut down. If you then drop the dosage, you'll still be shut down, but you wont have the same hormone boost as you would have if you kept the dosage high. What will result is a drop in test, a boost in estrogen, and your gains will suffer, then you will start pct and it will continue until an equilibrium is reached. This is obviously not optimal, so keep your dosage constant right up until you discontinue use, and start your pct.

^^ That's what I was thinking.

M1D isn't very androgenic...or anabolic. It's sold at GNC............ One of the hyped up supps that don't work...people think they're really doing a "cycle" of some hormone or something...blah. But! Supposing it was androgenic, then you shouldn't "ween" yourself from it as hrdgain said. Mega dosing soy would give you gyno before M1D would.

^^ hahah mega dosing soy, well played sir.

But lets not forget gyno isnt the only factor to consider when coming off cycle.

Oh definitely. I just read some horror stories about liver failure, gyno, and stuff like that. Blood pressure and cholesterol are very important also. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone doing a PCT with M1D anyway. It's scary though...there is a guy that comes in to buy Novedex XT once a month (AI). It's been two years after his last cycle, but he told me that if he quits taking the AI, his nipples get itchy, then painful, then...he goes and buys more Novedex. I told him to go to the damn doctor. Because he hasn't been in the last 5 years. He doesn't know shit about it...just that taking an AI will keep him from getting gyno. I thought this was weird...looks like his body would have balanced after such a long period of time. Who knows...

the AI is most likely the problem at this point. I would suspect that his initial pct was a disaster, and that is what set this in motion. He really needs to see a endocrinologist to get it all straightened out. I would bet because of the shit he's done he will likely be an HRT candidate, if not now, in the future.

You can never be to careful man.

Yeah. I don't think he really did much of a PCT. Probably 6-oxo and milk thistle. It's one of the most common PCTs.... :lame:

I've done that before, and I will never make that mistake again. I got lucky though and didnt have any real long term effects from it. Being a stupid kid can get you hurt, I was one of the lucky ones.

thanks for the advice guys.

i guess my gains could be credited more to eating as much as possible like i have been, but strength wise i do believe it helped out a lot. i started off a month ago doing dumbell press with 40's for sets of 10, and now im using 55's for 10 and 60's for 8. im going to start taking formadrol starting today to bring back those natural test levels. any other advice, or should i just keep doing what im doing?

i don't think ive put on a single pound of fat since i started.. all of my gains have been lean muscle up to this point. i can only hope itll stay that way, but im sure with the amount of eating im doing, a little chub on the stomach might be inevitable. for overall size, thats a sacrifice im willing to make.. for now at least.

You mention gains (I assume in body weight) and strength as though they are two different things. More strength = bigger muscles = potentially higher body weight.

It isn't so suppressive that it would shut you down or reduce natural test levels much at all. You seem pretty convinced that it's a very androgenic PH though, so go ahead. The formestane won't hurt anything, but I doubt it will help you at all either. Not that there is anything for it to help..

It depends. You can do a clean/lean bulk. It has to do with the number of calories that you're taking in and the quality of those calories. No reason why you can't gain mass without gaining lots of bf. Especially since you're just starting out. A little is typical, but it's up to you.

im not as much convinced its a strong PH since you guys clearly know more about it than i, i more just wanted to finish the cycle that i started and wanted to do it right, regardless of how potent it was.

thanks for the feedback as usual. what other recommendations do you have for creatine that would be effective, and cheaper?

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/n...te-1-kilo.html

Just go to nutraplanet.com and search creatine. From what I have seen, they have the best prices. Just get the bulk powder (cee or cm) and some WMS or dextrose/malto. A kilo of creatine monohydrate is $12.99. Beats the socks off of creakic for the price.

will monohydrate be as effective as ethyl ester?

For some people it's more effective. For others, it's the same.

almost done with my formadrol, retained everything i've gained. but then again, maybe its the shit-ton of eating ive been doing, and how hard ive been working those irons. 7 weeks in and ive never felt better.. cant wait to see what ill be like in a few more months.

About Methyl 1-d XL
 

I took that for an entire cycle then the formadol xl afterwards and had great results with weight loss and yes it gives you the Alpha-male feeling. Makes you feel like a teen again. Now as far as any other side effects. Towards the end of my cycle; things that don't normally piss me off did. Other than that my Strength and mass were awesome from it. I tell everyone to get it and for people that don't like it are the ones that dont go to the gym or are just gay

Do you know anything at all about the compound? I mean anything? What kind of strength and mass gains did you have? And how many years of experience do you have? What's your diet like?