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Old 10-01-2007, 12:54 PM   #1
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Default Never touched, would like to try a cycle

dried the 1androsterone and actually got some decent gains in weight and strength. However, i am interested in the effects of steroids and would like to see how a cycle goes. What suggestions do you have for my first cycle? Now I am not a scientist, so try to stay away from the "lingo" and abbreviations.

Age = 21
Height = 5' 7"
Weight = 165lbs
Body fat% = Less than 20
Training history = 1 year of heavy training
Cycle history = Taken supplements such as NO, creatine, protein, multivitamins, and 1-androsterone
Goals = i decided i want to move to more effect drugs. i am looking at gaining between 15-20 lbs in about 6 weeks if possible.
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Old 10-01-2007, 01:08 PM   #2
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If you want to put on some serious weight, you will have to eat a lot of food.
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I'm guessing you havent heard of "Operation Raw Deal"

'Roids raids
By Josh Peter, Yahoo! Sports
September 24, 2007

An international investigation code-named Operation Raw Deal carried out the last four days could produce the next steroids scandal in sports – and perhaps the biggest yet.

The undercover operation led by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration resulted in the seizure of massive amounts of anabolic steroids from an illegal, underground network and the ability to identify hundreds of thousands of people who received steroids and other substances used by some athletes as performance-enhancing drugs, a DEA spokesman told Yahoo! Sports on Sunday.

Most of the raids took place in the United States, and the DEA called the steroids crackdown the largest in U.S. history. DEA offices in New York and San Diego provided lead guidance during an investigation that resulted in 124 arrests and seizures at 56 labs across the country. Investigators also seized 71 weapons, 27 pill presses, 25 vehicles and three boats, but the coveted item was illegal drugs, and the DEA said it intercepted a staggering quantity.

Also, federal officials are creating a database of names of the people who received steroids, human growth hormone (HGH) and other drugs banned by most sports leagues and athletic associations, DEA spokesman Rusty Payne said.

"I have no information about any athletes yet," Payne said when asked about the names in the database and others implicated in the case. But he acknowledged the possibility of athletes being linked to the investigation that focused largely on steroids, HGH and other drugs being manufactured by Chinese companies and flooding the U.S. market.

"Of course, performance-enhancing drugs are an issue right now," Payne told Yahoo! Sports during a telephone interview. "They're in the news, and they're in the news because there have been athletes that have been tied to them. We know that's what this story is."

Steroids, HGH and other drugs seized in the raids promote muscle growth and speed recovery from injury, and athletes have used them despite the risk of suspensions and permanent bans from sport.

Whether Major League Baseball, the NFL and other sports bodies can gain access to the database and search for athletes who received substances banned by the respective sports organizations will be up to top officials at the Justice Department and DEA, according to Payne.

"Anything is possible," he said.

Typically, DEA investigations focus on drug suppliers and dealers. But now that the DEA has the ability to identify the largest numbers of people who received illegal shipments of drugs during Operation Raw Deal, Payne said, "If you are one of those people, you could get a knock at your door."

U.S. officials enlisted the help of China and eight other countries in an investigation that targeted more than 35 Chinese companies that produce raw materials used to make steroids and HGH, and in some cases finished product, sold illegally on the global underground network, Payne said.

China has emerged as the leading supplier of illicit steroids and HGH since the DEA began targeting Mexico suppliers two years ago. U.S. authorities said the operation that shut down steroids manufacturers in Mexico temporarily cut into the supply in the United States, but Chinese suppliers stepped in.

Last week, Yahoo! Sports obtained documents that showed HGH imported from China was seized in the Signature Pharmacy scandal. High-profile athletes linked to that investigation, launched by the district attorney in Albany County, N.Y., include baseball players Rick Ankiel, Gary Matthews Jr., Troy Glaus and Jay Gibbons; NFL safety Rodney Harrison; boxer Evander Holyfield; and a dozen pro wrestlers.

The role of Chinese companies in supplying steroids to the underground market figures to be sensitive for China considering the country will play host to the 2008 Olympics in Beijing in August. But the investigation could prove even more damaging to the world of sports.

Major League Baseball has scrambled to control recent news leaks of players connected to the Signature scandal. Last week, an arbitration panel upheld the results that showed American cyclist Floyd Landis used synthetic testosterone during his riveting comeback victory in the 2006 Tour de France. And for months, during his successful quest to overtake Hank Aaron as baseball's all-time home run king, Barry Bonds reignited controversy from a steroids scandal that stemmed from a 2003 raid of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO) that ensnared Bonds and several other well-known athletes.

On Monday, the sports world will learn of the latest potential bombshell. Officials are scheduled to announce details of Operation Raw Deal during news conferences in New York and San Diego.

Investigators hauled in countless bags and boxes loaded with steroids that have a street value potentially exceeding $50 million, Payne said. The stockpile included 11.4 million doses of steroids, which based on the 0.5 milliliter per dose used by the DEA for calculations, amounts to about 570,000 vials that each hold 10 milliliters.

Payne said he had no figures for the amount of HGH and other drugs seized in an operation that involved the Food and Drug Administration, the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, the FBI, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. National Drug Intelligence Center.

"These buyers are solely motivated by a desire to gain an unfair competitive advantage by using illegal performance-enhancing substances," said Terry Vermillion, Director of the FDA Office of Criminal Investigations, in a statement provided to Yahoo! Sports.

But Payne said rather than catching athletes who use banned drugs, the objective was to stanch the flow of illegal steroids and other drugs into the U.S. Most of the drugs seized in the investigation were cooked up "in filthy conditions with no regard to safety," according to the DEA.

The Internet has emerged as a popular source for those seeking performance-enhancing drugs without the required prescription, prompting Operation Raw Deal to employ a four-pronged strategy. The investigation targeted U.S.-based websites that distribute materials such as conversion kits necessary to turn raw steroid powders into finished product; Internet body building discussion boards that teach individuals how to use, locate, and discreetly purchase steroids; raw material manufacturers and suppliers in China and other countries; and underground steroids labs in the United States, Canada and Mexico.

Other countries involved in the coordinated international crackdown included Belgium, Australia, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Thailand.

"Operation Raw Deal uncovered a clandestine web of international drug dealers who lurk on the Internet for young adults craving the artificial advantage of anabolic steroids," Karen P. Tandy, the DEA administrator, said in a statement.

In addition to steroids and HGH, the operation targeted Insulin Growth Factor and underground trafficking of ancillary and counterfeit medications. Other drugs seized included cocaine, marijuana, Ecstasy, painkillers, anti-anxiety medications and Viagra.

The DEA lauded Chinese officials for their participation in the effort, but whether China disciplines the manufacturers or discloses information remains to be seen. U.S. officials provided Chinese authorities with information packets about more than 35 Chinese companies that allegedly supplied raw materials for steroids, HGH and other performance-enhancing drugs and are involved in the illicit underground trade around the world. But U.S. officials will withhold the names of those companies in deference to China.

DEA officials said they launched the operation in large part because of health risks in taking drugs that often are mislabeled. The potential side effects include strokes, liver damage and heart disease, experts say.

Though the impact of Operation Raw Deal on sports remains uncertain, the DEA's work is not done when it comes to a crackdown on the illegal trafficking of steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs, Payne said.

"This is not a case with a beginning and an end," he said. "I like to look at it more as an initiative.

"This is a huge initiative."

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Old 10-01-2007, 03:42 PM   #4
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I know absolutely nothing about steroids, but you've been lifting for a year or less... you really need to jump right into steroids?

Plus, as Joker pointed out... that's kinda hard to pull off right now.
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You have a lot of growing to do before you "NEED" AAS to push you past your genetic potential. Stick to the basics for the next 3 or 4 years then look into AAS.

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Sorry to get off subject but Operation Raw Deal is just sad. To think that so many people fought and died to preserve our right to freedom. Freedom to choose shouldn't be limited to the choices we are allowed. We should have the right to our own choices AKA if we want to take anabolic's then that should be our choice. If we want to take HGH that should be our choice. How can you ban Naturally occurring substances? Should we all have to get needles stuck into our pituitary and get our GH taken out because it is banned. This is just out of hand. How can we as people fight for our rights to TAKE WHAT SUPPLEMENTS WE WANT? Just asking.
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Sorry to get off subject but Operation Raw Deal is just sad. To think that so many people fought and died to preserve our right to freedom. Freedom to choose shouldn't be limited to the choices we are allowed. We should have the right to our own choices AKA if we want to take anabolic's then that should be our choice. If we want to take HGH that should be our choice. How can you ban Naturally occurring substances? Should we all have to get needles stuck into our pituitary and get our GH taken out because it is banned. This is just out of hand. How can we as people fight for our rights to TAKE WHAT SUPPLEMENTS WE WANT? Just asking.

Couldn't agree with you more brother.

Whats sad is that our country is so overrun with rec drugs and dealers driving Mercedes and Lexus'and BMW because of it,and other more important problems like child molestors and rapists and murderers,and even so many homeless.Our troops are over seas dying over some bullshit war,and all we are concerned about is who is cheating in sports?????WTF????

The gov't needs to get their priorities in check.Lets work on all the real problems that have been bringing our country down for decades now,then we can worry about the petty bullshit like AAS use!!!


Back to the subject of this topic,LOL

I agree with everyone else brother.At 21 you are too young to be worrying about AAS.You have so much more potential for natural growth if you get more time in training and your diet in check.

AAS work best and yield the most results only after you have reached your genetic limit naturally.Then and only then,should AAS be taken to play a part in going further.

The most important thing is getting as far as you can NATURALLY.Do as much research in the meantime,and then when the time comes,you are ready.

Be smart brother,take your time and get there the right way.

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