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kdhash08 06-07-2007 02:02 PM
new to steroids
 
title says it all haha, im just lookin for some refrences ( like types of steroids and how they work ). I wanna learn all that i can before i get involoved in them.

Joker13 06-07-2007 02:11 PM
There is a whole section devoted to profiles..have at it

kdhash08 06-07-2007 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Joker13 (Post 36269)
There is a whole section devoted to profiles..have at it
ha yea i just ran upon that.

Evanescence 06-07-2007 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by kdhash08 (Post 36266)
title says it all haha, im just lookin for some refrences ( like types of steroids and how they work ). I wanna learn all that i can before i get involoved in them.
Hi ! Before you go too far in depth regarding steroid cycles and whats best for you why not give us your essentials first like your :
Age ....
Training for how long ....
Your diet ....
Your exercise regime ....
your goals .....

These are just a few questions if you want someone to give you good feedback on what your looking for etc !

There is sooo much to learn even before you consider taking a cycle ! and of course you would need to have a PCT plan in place also !
I have been training for 7 + years and I will still remain natural ! Im not going to be anti steroids but this info is what we need !

kdhash08 06-07-2007 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Evanescence (Post 36271)
Hi ! Before you go too far in depth regarding steroid cycles and whats best for you why not give us your essentials first like your :
Age ....
Training for how long ....
Your diet ....
Your exercise regime ....
your goals .....

These are just a few questions if you want someone to give you good feedback on what your looking for etc !

There is sooo much to learn even before you consider taking a cycle ! and of course you would need to have a PCT plan in place also !
I have been training for 7 + years and I will still remain natural ! Im not going to be anti steroids but this info is what we need !

im 17
iv been working out since i was 15.
Im not on a current diet but im planning on begining one.
I work out 4 days a week
and my goals are mainly just to gain strength .
and if this matters i have taken a few types of creatine.

Evanescence 06-07-2007 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kdhash08 (Post 36272)
im 17
iv been working out since i was 15.
Im not on a current diet but im planning on begining one.
I work out 4 days a week
and my goals are mainly just to gain strength .
and if this matters i have taken a few types of creatine.
Ahh i see ! First off im afraid to say 17 is way too young for any cycle of steroids !! You have ample of natural testosterone in your system to build good muscle for several years yet ! Esp if you train 4 days a week, thats great .. just stick with the creatine and you wont go wrong ! Your not on a current strict diet so to tell you the truth your not even ready for steroids , period ! A steroid will not do you any favours besides liver toxicity and serious side effects if you were to take them at your current stage ! They simple wont do anything for you even if you had a quality diet regime sorted ! Definately have a read up on steroid articles which you will find scattered around these forums. Steroids are not recommended for anyone less than 26 years of age.
Even using certain steroids you will not have a good .. dry .. solid .. vascular muscle like you will have when you train naturally ! Most of the weight you will gain from a steroid will be water retention, which will in turn sore your blood pressure through the roof causing all sorts of problems !

I'm 29 and have trained naturally for 7 years + and although I do feel like a cycle could help me at this stage, i really dont want serious medical problems in the long term .. not including bad side effects like severe acne ... stunted growth , etc !

Stick with creatine or a NO product :) Cheers !

TALO 06-07-2007 02:39 PM
I think your to young
You haven't been training long enough
EAT MORE FOOD!!!

I am not against people taking them, but untill you have your full potential you will do nothing but damage your body.

Scorcher2005 06-07-2007 04:52 PM
Evan, thats not all true...

But in response to KDhash08, you are definately too young. You could ruin your natural test production for the rest of your life, which is the main reason why age is an important factor.

Evanescence 06-08-2007 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Scorcher2005 (Post 36285)
Evan, thats not all true...

But in response to KDhash08, you are definately too young. You could ruin your natural test production for the rest of your life, which is the main reason why age is an important factor.
Not all true ... please enlighten me on exactly isnt all true ? I wouldnt want to give new members false hopes or false information so what specifically wasnt true about my informative post above ??
:)

hrdgain81 06-08-2007 06:33 AM
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They simple wont do anything for you even if you had a quality diet regime sorted ! Definately have a read up on steroid articles which you will find scattered around these forums. Steroids are not recommended for anyone less than 26 years of age.
I would say this is the part that is basicly untrue. It sounds good, and would definately keep youngsters away from gear. But the truth of the matter is that steroids (being very general here) will increase nitrogen retention for anyone at any age, resulting in muscle hypertrophy and strength gains. The problem with being too young and using is this, when your still in puberty shutting your nuts off by forcing alien hormones into your body will severely fuck with your endocrine system, regardless of the saftey measures you take.

kdhash08, do all the research you can, knowing how your endocrine system works, and how different steroids effect your body will only be of benifit when the time comes and your ready.

Scorcher2005 06-08-2007 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Evanescence (Post 36273)
A steroid will not do you any favours besides liver toxicity and serious side effects if you were to take them at your current stage !
Not all steroids are liver toxic

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Originally Posted by Evanescence (Post 36273)
Steroids are not recommended for anyone less than 26 years of age.
There is no set age, although 17 is definately way too young as the body is still in puberty and they will destroy the natural test production for the rest of life.

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Originally Posted by Evanescence (Post 36273)
Even using certain steroids you will not have a good .. dry .. solid .. vascular muscle like you will have when you train naturally !
During a real bulk, most people do not stay at the same leanness, which are where cutting cycles (not a steroid cycle) come in.

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Originally Posted by Evanescence (Post 36273)
Most of the weight you will gain from a steroid will be water retention, which will in turn sore your blood pressure through the roof causing all sorts of problems !
I may be wrong on this one as I've never heard it before, but what does water retention have to do with blood pressure? There are support supplements for both water retention and blood pressure, in addition to liver support, prostate support, etc...

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Originally Posted by Evanescence (Post 36273)
I'm 29 and have trained naturally for 7 years + and although I do feel like a cycle could help me at this stage, i really dont want serious medical problems in the long term .. not including bad side effects like severe acne ... stunted growth , etc !
Your 29, I think you have stopped growing well over a few years ago. And if you run the cycle correctly you will not have any long term sides.

Evanescence 06-09-2007 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Scorcher2005 (Post 36343)
not all steroids are liver toxic :
<<<< Tell me one that isnt liver toxic plus wont give you any sides ?? I think there are none that exist.



There is no set age, although 17 is definately way too young as the body is still in puberty and they will destroy the natural test production for the rest of life.<<<< I never said 26 was a SET age I said 26 would be recommended ... Nobody can give a set age for anything ! But yes at 17 it will destroy his natural test, thats not rocket science !



During a real bulk, most people do not stay at the same leanness, which are where cutting cycles (not a steroid cycle) come in. <<< Perhaps but most look bloated and not lean / vascular.



I may be wrong on this one as I've never heard it before, but what does water retention have to do with blood pressure? There are support supplements for both water retention and blood pressure, in addition to liver support, prostate support, etc... <<<< Im afraid to say you are wrong sorry :) Water retention will lower your blood pressure , or just for the sake of education here are a few more symptoms of water retention : slower metabolism, fat gain, fatique , cardiovascular problems, headaches, hormone inbalances, joint problems, sleep problems to name just a few !! All signs of Edema ( water retention from a diuretic ! Of course some get more sides than others.

cheers :)



Your 29, I think you have stopped growing well over a few years ago. And if you run the cycle correctly you will not have any long term sides.
<<<<< Im 29 indeed and i certainly havnt stopped growing by any means so im not sure where you got that from lol .. I have a head turning natural physique anyone would be proud with but im just looking at only 5mg per day of D-bol .... not 30 or 40 a day which most do !

Joker13 06-09-2007 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Evanescence (Post 36350)
<<<<< looking at only 5mg per day of D-bol .... not 30 or 40 a day which most do !
I don't think that would be an effective dose for a guy. Also the reason people will do at least 20mg a day is cause it has a short half life, so to keep your test levels from fluctuating you need to take one every 3-4 hrs.

Darkhorse 06-11-2007 12:38 AM
Damn, 5 mg is a waste of time indeed. 100% correct Joker13.

Scorcher2005 06-11-2007 07:00 AM
Evan, you definately need to read up A LOT more on A LOT of things. 5mg is just a waste of money. Thats like just taking 100g of protein/day and calling it good. In addition to being a waste of money, you shouldnt run a d-bol only cycle. And by stop growing, i didnt mean muscular wise, i meant the whole bone thing where your body grows vertically.


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