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Old 05-17-2005, 01:17 AM   #1
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I was toying with the idea of using 1 steroid cycle to jumpstart my fat loss and mass gain. Not sure if it's even a good idea or not, but you guys tell me.
I've been on my current program for 4 weeks now and am showing steady results through my diet and weight training. I was thinking of maybe a 4 week cycle to kick it up a notch and better my strength as well as quicken my fat loss results to get to my goal faster. Here are my stats:

Age 31
height 6'2"
weight 225
BF% 20-23%
free weight lifting program 2 days on 1 day off.
Cardio about 4 times a week

Goal: Get below 12% body fat while gaining lean muscle and strength. Don't necessarily want to loss weight, but could be happy dropping 10 lbs or so if it was fat.

My questions are these:

Would this be a good idea for what I'm trying to accomplish?

About the steroids themselves:
What would be a good one to start with?
What is the easiest to get a hold of?
What would I have to "stack" it with for limited side effects and why?
Would side effects even be an issue with only using for 4 weeks?
Does anyone else do anything similar to this for these kind of goals and how is/did it work out for ya?

Thanks for your time.
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Old 05-17-2005, 02:35 AM   #2
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from what ive heard and what my view on it is..only use steriods if its absolutly nessary u just want to speed up your results it not like youve reached a platue where your absolutly sure that u cant concure it without the use of them. youve been working out for 4 weeks!? give workout at least a year or two before u jump into something like that espically since your a newbie to everything
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Old 05-17-2005, 02:52 AM   #3
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from what ive heard and what my view on it is..only use steriods if its absolutly nessary u just want to speed up your results it not like youve reached a platue where your absolutly sure that u cant concure it without the use of them. youve been working out for 4 weeks!? give workout at least a year or two before u jump into something like that espically since your a newbie to everything

Very good point. I'm always in such a hurry
But, I used to be a profesional athlete, so I have worked out off and on for years. Last stint was about a year ago for about 4 months then got off it again. Now, I've made it a priority to improve my body to the max. So, I should have said I have been on another program for about 4 weeks and not just starting from scratch. I'm ok when it comes to suppliments, but was always curious about anabolics and was finally thinking of giving it a try. (now that I don't have to worry about drug tests ) Anyways...there's a little more back ground if it helps.
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Old 05-17-2005, 06:54 AM   #4
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oh you were a proffessional athlete well that changes it then lol. to be honest with u though i would still only use steriods when they are absolutly nessary, ive never used them but from what i hear its no duck walk (as in its not easy to do) you have to work harder, know what your doing, know what your takin, know what u have to stack with it, you dont sleep well, you eat alot. things like that. i just recommend one thing do alot of research...tons of it and make sure your sources know what they are talking about and they are experienced its your body not like a car where it can be replaced know whats going in ask alot of questions

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Old 05-17-2005, 10:58 AM   #5
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oh you were a proffessional athlete well that changes it then lol. to be honest with u though i would still only use steriods when they are absolutly nessary, ive never used them but from what i hear its no duck walk (as in its not easy to do) you have to work harder, know what your doing, know what your takin, know what u have to stack with it, you dont sleep well, you eat alot. things like that. i just recommend one thing do alot of research...tons of it and make sure your sources know what they are talking about and they are experienced its your body not like a car where it can be replaced know whats going in ask alot of questions
Some very good points right there bro!

And hey Derwood Welcom over here bro! I haven't been around much lately so glad to see some new faces around here!

Like Verbatimreturned said do as much research as you can and then come back and let us know what cycle you plan on doing. This way we can tweak it or give opinions on the cycle.

Just watch out for scammers trying to contact you, anytime I see people write posts like these all of a sudden they are bombarde by "salesman". So, just watch your back bro.

When you decide what you want to use, post your plan, we'll be more than happy to guide you. Take care and good luck bro!

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Old 05-17-2005, 12:12 PM   #6
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Thank you for such a warm welcome

I've been spending some hours researching and have found an interesting cycle. Seems to be a popular cutting cycle.

Winstrol
Clenbuterol
Cytomel (T3)

Seems to have everything I'm looking for. Lean mass but not "too much" mass, lots of fat burn with minimul side effects.

Now...where I'm still foggy is the antiestrogen stacks. Would stacking,

Arimidex
Nolvadex

be enough to block any gyno that may occur? Again, I'm only looking to cycle for about 4-6 weeks. Also, what about after the cycle....getting my body back to normal. Is that what things like Clomid are for?

I still have A LOT of research to do. I need to get more confortable with the Anti"gyno" stacks and dosages(of all). I want to be able to map out a COMPLETE program on a calander as far as what to take, how much and when. When, and ONLY when, I'm confortable with a complete plan, will I even consider thinking about where to get the gear.

Another thing....I want to stay away from injectables (if possible) I understand that this can be hard on the kidneys. But, there are a few different oils I can take to help the Kidneys function easier through the cycle. This is another thing I have to research. I don't want to mess up my innards. Is pill form ,for such a short term cycle, really that bad of an idea?

Anyways....this cycle seems perfect for what I'm trying to accomplish. How far off am I so far?
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Sounds to me like you just need to tweak your diet a little.
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Hmmnn...well let me put it to you as Fpot66(a good bro on this board and at BN) would if you're not ready for injectables then you're not ready for AAS!

But let's say in your mind you are dead set on not using any injectables and you want to use orals. Well as far as the safest oral (but also the priciest) is Anavar. But no matter what it's still a 17AA drug which may be very tough on your liver in the long run.

Are you really dead set on not using any injectables?
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Hmmnn...well let me put it to you as Fpot66(a good bro on this board and at BN) would if you're not ready for injectables then you're not ready for AAS!

But let's say in your mind you are dead set on not using any injectables and you want to use orals. Well as far as the safest oral (but also the priciest) is Anavar. But no matter what it's still a 17AA drug which may be very tough on your liver in the long run.

Are you really dead set on not using any injectables?
Not dead set against injectables. I'll be honest...the thought of sticking a needle/needles in my arse a couple times a day is not to appealing lol. Ya, ya, I know...what a pu$$y Gotta do what you gotta do though. I would want to do what would be best and safest for my body is all. If injectables were the answer, then injectables it would be. Right now, I'm just exploring ALL my options and trying to learn as much as I can before I make up my mind on what I want to do.

And as far as my diet is concerned. I did a ton of research on that as well and am pretty sure I have that wired. I feel better than I have in a long time. The fat is burning, the muscles are growing, I'm hardly ever hungry but yet hardly ever full. I'm thinking that in a few weeks I'll be ready for some "fine tuning". Hence the thought of taking the AAS route for a short stint.

Anyways, back to my research. Let me know what your thoughts are on the stack I mentioned above. Thanks again for all the input.
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Hmmnn...well let me put it to you as Fpot66(a good bro on this board and at BN) would if you're not ready for injectables then you're not ready for AAS!
Couldn't have said it better myself. :cool:

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I would want to do what would be best and safest for my body is all.
Well then using T3 is definetly not something youw ant to be using if you are worried about possibile side effects.

If you want to do some clen on a 2 on/ 2 off rotation then go ahead, jsut be aware of proper dosing protocols and managing the "shakes".

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Now...where I'm still foggy is the antiestrogen stacks. Would stacking,
WHat would this be for? There is very little chance of gyno from Winstrol as it is somewhat anti-estrogenic itself being a DHT derivative.

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Yes...300/100/50 splits.

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