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cmatthew4 04-16-2010 10:25 AM

redbull + prohormones
 
im guessing while on a prohormone cycle things like energy drink AKA red bull would be bad??

why is that?
does it elevate you BP and hurt your liver?

just wondering as im sometime tempted to take one

i know their bad when on creatin cuz the cafeine cancels it out

Frontline 04-16-2010 12:04 PM

It's not going to kill you or your liver, but people tend to avoid anything that elevates blood pressure while on cycle. This is the same reasoning why most people don't recommend preworkout stimulants while on a cycle because the prohormones already elevate your blood pressure.

So if you want one go for it, I just wouldn't be slamming them down all the time.

Ross86 04-16-2010 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmatthew4 (Post 85802)
im guessing while on a prohormone cycle things like energy drink AKA red bull would be bad??

why is that?
does it elevate you BP and hurt your liver?

just wondering as im sometime tempted to take one

i know their bad when on creatin cuz the cafeine cancels it out

Caffeine doesn't have anything to do with creatine.

cmatthew4 04-16-2010 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross86 (Post 85807)
Caffeine doesn't have anything to do with creatine.

creatine loads your muscles with water and caffein dehydrates you... plus caffein reduces you carb intake by about 25% so its harder to intake water anyways

so yeh caffein pretty much cancels out creatine.... but its also easy to have a coffe pis it out and a few hours later take your creatine dose
but dont expect to get much out of it together

Pitysister 04-17-2010 07:26 AM

i'm pretty sure i read somewhere recently that caffeine doesn't actually dehydrate you. i shall search.

but still...using that logic...anything that makes you sweat cancels out creatine :)

Pitysister 04-17-2010 07:35 AM

here it is....scroll down to the bottom part for the hydration info.

http://www.gustrength.com/caffeine

cmatthew4 04-17-2010 07:56 AM

im just basing this of research i did a while back.... i typed in creatine and caffein in google and probably about 20 sites said that it dont mix and you should take them at the same time.....

i dunno man.... wasnt really a big deal to me so i didint really care i just stopped having energy drink when i was dosing creatine

cmatthew4 04-17-2010 07:58 AM

*should not take the at the same time....*

Frontline 04-17-2010 09:42 AM

People combining caffeine and creatine is nothing new, pretty common in today's supplement market actually.

Think about all the preworkout supplements that are on the market, almost all of them contain caffeine and creatine. Of course the caffeine is added in there so you can "feel" their product working and in a lot of cases these companies would still put caffeine in there even if it had negative effects on creatine absorption.

I'm not saying your right or wrong on the point of dehydration, just pointing out that its probably not a big issue to worry about.

Ross86 04-17-2010 05:09 PM

^^^ Agreed. When you consider the significance level of the dehydration...it's not significant. Yes, you have some extra water retention in the muscles when you take creatine. That's not the only reason for taking creatine. You supplement with creatine so you'll have additional creatine phosphate, so atp regeneration happens more quickly. If you think that a reduction in the amount of water in the muscle due to caffeine consumption negates the effects of creatine supplementation, then you don't know jack about creatine.


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