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FatBoy 03-10-2006 12:15 PM

SDI-LABS, Anyone ever used their cycles?
 
I am new to this, and I was wondering if anyone ever used SDI-LABS cycles of
Two bottles of D-BOL

Two bottles of Equidren

Two bottles of Masterbolan

Two bottles of Winni - V

479.00

I was wondering if I am going to be wasting my money or not?

Darkhorse 03-11-2006 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatBoy
I am new to this, and I was wondering if anyone ever used SDI-LABS cycles of
Two bottles of D-BOL

Two bottles of Equidren

Two bottles of Masterbolan

Two bottles of Winni - V

479.00

I was wondering if I am going to be wasting my money or not?

Complete waste of money. They make products that sound like steroids but are far from it. Back when prohormones were legal, I remember asking their company what their "d-bol" was made from. Their response if I remember correctly was 50 mg of 4-AD...Which of course is severely underdosed and terrible to use by itself regardless..:261:

So now, prohormones are illegal, so I cannot imagine what they are trying to peddle now!:nutkick:

Frontline 03-11-2006 02:41 PM

I've found nothing but bad things about the company...

Quote:

Consumer Report
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing
The Truth about "Legal Steroids"
by Chris Shugart

Imagine this: A new auto manufacturer hits the scene and starts marketing its cars. They have the Civilian Humer, the Porsch 911, the Ferari 360 Spider, and the coveted Beamer. The ads are slick and the cars look pretty damned good, too. They even list the performance statistics. The Ferari Spider's top speed is 180 mph and it'll reach 63 mph in just 4.5 seconds!

Now, it doesn't take a car buff to smell a rat here, a rather big rat that's been lying out in the heat for a few days. Notice how each name is slightly misspelled. Instead of Ferrari, it's Ferari. Porsch is missing an "e" at the end. Hmm, something funny's going on here. If you were to look at the "Ferari" emblem in the ad, you'd notice it's not quite the same as the real Ferrari emblem. It's very close, but not quite right. Upon closer inspection you'd see that it's not the famous prancing horse, but a kicking donkey! Just who do these jackasses think they are?

And how about those performance stats? Well, they appear to be legitimate Ferrari performance numbers. Did you catch that? Ferrari performance numbers, not "Ferari" performance numbers. And what about that Beamer they sell? Well, is it really a BMW or did these scum bags copyright the slang term "Beamer" so they could use the name for their fake BMW?

Obviously, these aren't the real deal and only those very ignorant about cars (or very stupid about everything) would fall for such a scam. But of course we're talking about the general public here, so this sleazy auto manufacturer would still make a lot of dough. So what if the wheels fall off and the motor gives out after a few months of driving? So what if the cars can't meet those performance standards? This car maker isn't looking for repeat customers after all. This is what's called a short grift, a quick, in and out scam.

A couple of years from now, this maker won't even be around. Instead he'll be involved in other scams, perhaps real estate, psychic hotlines, or (gasp!) supplement manufacturing. Nah, he'd be too late. The wolves in sheep's clothing have already arrived and set up camp in the bodybuilding community.


These ain't steroids, dummy!

Not many things piss me off. I'm a pretty laid back guy. But recently I've been getting a lot of questions about the quality of a certain brand of steroids. It seems this maker has a fat list of e-mail addresses and is clogging the inboxes all over the US with promises of gear without a prescription and without side effects.

So why am I pissed off? Because I logged on to the web site of this company and found a few interesting things, mainly, these aren't steroids! They look like steroids, they sound like steroids, they promise steroid-like gains, but in reality, this company is selling nothing but andro, creatine, and ECA stacks. The name of this company? SDI-Labs. Let's take a closer look at this Florida based company, its advertising, and its products.


The Name Game

First, let's play the name game. SDI-Labs sells Winni-V, D-Bol, Equipose, Masterbolan, Liquid Anodrol, Sustenol 250, Deca Nor 50, Somatroph HGH, and GHB among a few other items. Do those names look familiar? They should, because they're either very close to the names of popular steroids or they're based on slang terms for steroids or other compounds.

For example, they sell Equipose. The real steroid is called Equipoise. They also sell a product called Sustenol 250. Of course, the real Testosterone product is called Sustenon 250. And don't think you're getting stanazolol when you buy Winni-V. The real product is called Winstrol V and "winni" is only a slang term. Same goes for D-Bol. This is not Dianabol (methandrostenolone). Apparently they just called it "D-Bol" and got a copyright on the name. (Another company did that with the name "ECA Stack" in hopes of luring in customers.)

Gee, maybe I should start buying oregano in 55-gallon drums and get the copyright on the name Pot®. I could start a website, take out some ads way in the back of MuscleMag and High Times and be the king of Pot®. All the Potheads® would love me (until they tried it) and I'd make a ton of dough! (You know, if I were a dishonest bottomfeeder, I'd be making a lot more money. Damn these morals! Damn this sense of right and wrong!)

So what's in this stuff anyway since it's obviously not real gear? Well, mainly different kinds of andro supplements, ephedra and caffeine. For example, their D-Bol product contains 100mg of 19-Norandrostenedione and 100mg of 4-Androstenediol (plus a few inconsequential things) and sells for 80 bucks a bottle. (About seven day's worth if used at full dosage.)

"Winni-V" contains 25mg of 19-Norandrostenedione, 110mg B-Cyclodextrin, plus a minimal amount of caffeine and Mahuang (herbal ephedrine). What they've done here is add a little Mahuang and caffeine to the "steroids" that are known for a hardening effect.

Their topical Liquid Anodrol product (made to sound like the steroid Anadrol) contains 100mg of 19-Norandrostenedione and 100mg of 4-Androstenediol. The price? $110 a bottle. And even though this is a topical product, for some reason it comes with a funky looking syringe thingy. I haven't quite figured that part out yet.

And how about that GHB stuff? They didn't change the spelling there, did they? No they didn't. Real GHB (gamma hydroxy butyrate) has been banned actually. Most people liked to use it as a party drug or a relaxant. Real GHB basically made you sleepy and somewhat euphoric. It became known as a "date rape drug" in some circles, hence the ban. So how is SDI-Labs selling it? They aren't, of course.

The ads for "GHB" promise "incredible desire increase, prolonged arousal, and enhanced climax." What's in it? Nothing but 5mg of Yohimbine and 50mg of 4-Androstenediol. The really pathetic part is they give dosage guidelines for women, who of course should stay away from all andro-type products. By the way, the web site makes this note: "GHB is a pending a Trademark of SDI-LABS." (See, that Pot® idea could work!) And yes, SDI-Labs does come out and say that this product doesn't contain real GHB ingredients, if you read the site close enough.

Most of the other products tell the same story: steroid name — cheap andro ingredient. Not only were pill-form andro products manufactured by other companies a failure, SDI-Labs is using very tiny dosages. (Heck, even large doses of this stuff didn't work too well in pill form.) Perhaps this is because they really push you to buy one of their stacks consisting of several products. These can run upward of $820.

They also pull the same trick our fictional car manufacturer did in the intro. They talk about the positive effects of the real steroid hoping you'll make the leap of faith and think their products do the same. This is especially true with their "HGH" product. (See our Dirty Tricks article for the details behind this common scam.)


Sheep's Clothing

Besides the names and the hard sell ad copy, these guys also put some deceit into the packaging. My favorite is the D-Bol packaging.

Notice the little animal pictures. They do this so the consumer thinks he's getting some kind of "gray area" or veterinary product. You can even see the words "Vetrinariol." I guess this is supposed to look foreign or something but the word is just gobbledygook; it doesn't exist. In fact, I typed that word into a search engine and the only thing that popped up was from Spamcop.net, a site that allows you to send a public spam report to network administrators. Apparently, SDI-Labs has been turned in for spamming.

The "winni" package is also made to look like a real pharmaceutical product.

This type of packaging is expensive compared to just putting pills in a bottle. Hmm, maybe that's why this stuff costs $80 a package! Sheep's clothing is pricey, I guess! Then again, this is the same company that was behind the "Almost Juic'in" product, part of which was a plain bottle of creatine called "Eruption" that sold 400 grams for $50! The price has since been reduced to $30. Still a rip off, of course.

You smell that, too?

To round out the hardcore image, SDI-Labs also likes to put syringes in their ads beside the supplements. This is pure window dressing since none of these are injectable products. Well, that's the official stance at least.

FatBoy 03-14-2006 05:38 PM

Thanks for saving me $$$$ (and my dignity)
 
I was thinking that, but I wasnt sure. I am new to this, and my dillema is where to get quality supplements, especially when I dont know anyone locally that I can talk to. I know it takes juice to get big like I want, but I have no idea how to pursue aquiring them, none the less which of them to take for my body type.

I am 6"0 and 220. I am muscular and fat. My problem is that I am one of those big guys that you would look at and say " damn, if that dude would just work out" but the problem is I work my ass off and make no gains. I have done the extreme low calori, the regual calori routines, and everything esle. I dont mean I try for a week or two, I am not a moron. I usually wait 4-6 weeks before saying what I am doing is inefficiant.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

:17:

sdf42450 03-19-2006 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatBoy
I was thinking that, but I wasnt sure. I am new to this, and my dillema is where to get quality supplements, especially when I dont know anyone locally that I can talk to. I know it takes juice to get big like I want, but I have no idea how to pursue aquiring them, none the less which of them to take for my body type.

I am 6"0 and 220. I am muscular and fat. My problem is that I am one of those big guys that you would look at and say " damn, if that dude would just work out" but the problem is I work my ass off and make no gains. I have done the extreme low calori, the regual calori routines, and everything esle. I dont mean I try for a week or two, I am not a moron. I usually wait 4-6 weeks before saying what I am doing is inefficiant.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

:17:

completely agree with 311... total scam.

as for making progress... sounds like you might be fighting genetics. if thats the case it'll be a long tough uphill fight to make the progress you want. if you are truely following a strict diet (counting calories/macros) and busting your ass at the gym you should be seeing results. the longer i've been at this the more i see how important diet is in the equation, VERY.

since i've started the UD2.0 i've made some nice progress. its not too bad once you get into it. maybe worth a look...

Dr X 03-20-2006 08:18 PM

:thumbsdown:

hrdgain81 03-21-2006 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatBoy
I was thinking that, but I wasnt sure. I am new to this, and my dillema is where to get quality supplements, especially when I dont know anyone locally that I can talk to. I know it takes juice to get big like I want, but I have no idea how to pursue aquiring them, none the less which of them to take for my body type.

I am 6"0 and 220. I am muscular and fat. My problem is that I am one of those big guys that you would look at and say " damn, if that dude would just work out" but the problem is I work my ass off and make no gains. I have done the extreme low calori, the regual calori routines, and everything esle. I dont mean I try for a week or two, I am not a moron. I usually wait 4-6 weeks before saying what I am doing is inefficiant.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

:17:

I understand it can be frustrating. When you bust your ass day in and day out and see very little return. Believe me i've been there, and I am still there in my mind. But dont be so quick to jump on the juice band wagon. There are many other ways to get were you want to go without sticking a needle in your ass.

dont get me wrong, I'm not knocking steroids, they work. But they should be a last resort, and from what you've posted your not there yet. There are many other suppliments that will work for you, and carry less of a risk then illegal substances.

BCAA's, Citruline, CEE, NHA's, thermo's, EFA's, and thats just for starters.

If you feel you must use some kind of steroid I'd suggest starting with something mild like superdrol. (When i say mild I mean its not a full blown injectable AAS). It will yield very solid gains, in a short 4 week cycle, and it can be found on just about any online suppliment store.

But I caution, DONT LET SUBSTANCES BECOME A CRUTCH.

FatBoy 03-22-2006 10:04 AM

Thanks peeps, this has to be the best site thus far. I dont see alot of the immature behavior here like you do in alot of the other ones.

Genetics
Couldnt be more on the money. My father is 5'7, had 1 heart attack, and weighs around 220. Mom was extremely obese and had a gastric bypass. My brother is 6'0 and damn near 280 with asthma. About 4 years ago, I went to the dr and my blood pressure was through the roof. I then realized that if I wanted to see my daughter grow up, then I had to make a change and stop using my family histroy as an excuse.Needles to say I did, I dropped from 294 to 220 is less than a year. The problem was I did it the wrong way. I was focused more on the cardio and extreme WEIGHT loss, and not the FAT loss. Final outcome was I dropped the pounds I wanted, but also the muscle. I was on 1000 calorie a day or less diet for the entire time, with one day of splurging with whatever I wanted to eat (Sundays). The problem was I had a traner that did not really look out for my best interest, as if he did he would have corrected this methodology. I have been able to get down to 212, but I seem to be stuck at 220 again.

Now, I am not so worried about the pund weight as I am reduvcing fat and gaining muscle tone. I cant seem to get either.

I was thinking of following the MHP\Macrobolic diet way of eating starting next week. I have truly come to the conclusion that I have reduced my bodys caloric nitake for so long, that I know need to go back up to a real daily intake of 2,000 or so. This is where I wanted the Macrobolic way to come in, and make all 2k calories a day perfectly proportiate to the 45\35
20 way.

Any additional advice would be great.:)

Bedlam 03-23-2008 06:06 PM

Bro. I AM you. Tried every diet in the book. But most are really designed for people who have no real intention on working out. There is a book out there called the 3-hour diet. It works wonders. It doesn"t cut much of any food, it just makes you manage when and how much you eat. Every three hours is the magic number. You also want to eat slow and pay attention to the point you're not hungry anymore. Start with the regular servings and practice not finishing everything on your plate. Decrease the quantity of your meals, and increase the quality, ie...good carbs, proteins, fibers, fats etc...Eventually you will get used to eating very small meals. Eat them often though so you're never craving or starving, which only leads to bingeing. IT takes a while to see the results, but you'll be surprised how much all your effort will begin to shine thru.

Joker13 03-23-2008 06:42 PM

^^^good thing you repied....he's been waiting almost 2 yrs for one:biglaugh:


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