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Old 12-06-2006, 12:47 AM   #1
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30 years old and looking to do second cycle. Last one was at the age of 22. did test..about 250mg a week..got super bloated..not much stronger..lost it all when i came off as it was mostly water. after got really bad acne. lasted for moths. So ive been very hesitant to do it again.

This time going 400mg week for about 10 weeks test. gonna run anti estrogen and chlomid after.

Just wondering from those that have ran antiestrogen if it will really make that much of a difference. and overall what realistic expectaions are. i really hate the bloated look. Looking to keep 10lbs of quality muscle or so. Any more than that and i will be too big for my likes. most already think i do steroids cause im quite filled out as is. Check out my profile to see where im at if you like. Im small boned so if i add 10lbs its REALLY gonna show.

Any help would be awesome guys. thanks!
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Old 12-06-2006, 09:29 AM   #2
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An anti e like adex or letro will help tremedously while on cycle to keep the bloat down. Usually not to much bloat on a test only cycle . I would kick it up to 500 mg at 250 X 2 per week and go 12 weeks. You probably lost your gains last time because you didnt do PCT (clomid) This willl help. Adding nolva to your pct should help as well but the key thing is diet. If your bulking do not change your diet until you are all the way through pct

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Old 12-06-2006, 09:54 AM   #3
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Thanks bro! I wanted to do 12 weeks but ive heard anything over 8 you start running into more sides. last time i did it was 10 weeks but i think my dosage was way too low. Also ive heard the high blood pressure associated with gear comes from the bloating and excess water. so does the anti Estrogen help prevent the high BP too?
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It might help but a little higher then average bp is par for the course. hawthorne berry is a good sup to take to help with that.
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Dr X are you an old timer??
The reason I ask is because your posts has alot of "old time" knowledge. No disrepect intended.

In fact, this whole discussion has me a bit confused.

You say "anti e", but you quote Letro???

Femara (Letrozole), Arimidex (Anastrozole), and Aromasin (Exemestane) are not anti-estrogens....they are AI - Aromatise Inhibitors, but THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

Anti-estrogens or SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) are in the most common forms - Tamoxifen (Nolvadex) and Clomiphene (Clomid).

And PCT and Clomid???

Why even use Clomid anymore when you have Nolva, which are basically the same thing but Nolva is alot better? Especially for PCT?

BTW...the answer to that question is for gyno potection when you are using progestin based steroid such as Deca....Tren...ect.

Also, BTW....that is the only time I would recommend using Letrozole.....with a progestin based steroid.

And jxlk....why are you running a 12 wk cycle when you are looking for 10 lbs of muscle??

I can do it for you in 4 weeks, with more gains and with less worries over sides.

Also jxlk....its not 8wks, its after 4wks that side usually start to show.

One more thing...diet isnt as important (protien intake is) if you are using the right gear
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Are you saying running an AI as aposed to a SERM while on cycle will have a pronounced difference? Whether your blockin estrogen, or blocking it from binding, it should be enough to keep bloating and estrogen sides to a minimum.

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And jxlk....why are you running a 12 wk cycle when you are looking for 10 lbs of muscle??

I can do it for you in 4 weeks, with more gains and with less worries over sides.
What exactly do you mean by this? If you've reached your genetic potential, and are pushing past it with a test cycle, you'd be lucky to put on 10lbs of lean mass after pct.

Also, running test for 4 weeks sounds counter productive, and I dont see how anyone could put on 10lbs in 4 weeks running test.

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Are you saying running an AI as aposed to a SERM while on cycle will have a pronounced difference? Whether your blockin estrogen, or blocking it from binding, it should be enough to keep bloating and estrogen sides to a minimum. .
Now be caferful what you say here Bro.....

First of all, you are taking about different products, as far as AI goes. And like I said...they are not the same.

Second, AIs dont block anything, they inhibit production....well 2 of them do. The third - Aromasin (Exemestane) cuts off production totally, actually makes estrogen receptors useless.

Third, AEs are only effective on certain estrogen receptors and there is estrogen still flowing throughout your system.

Fourth, let me ask you this....what makes Test, Dbol, and such the best mass steroids?
They aromatize (converts to estrogen).

Now, if you use an AI with Test or such, you may as well used a WEAKER steroid that doesnt aromatize.

Fifth, i never said that.....i would use neither. Instead, I would use Proviron or Masteron with Nolva on hand fpr gyno protection, even though you shouldnt need it.

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What exactly do you mean by this? If you've reached your genetic potential, and are pushing past it with a test cycle, you'd be lucky to put on 10lbs of lean mass after pct.
Genetic potential? Who said he has reached his....doesnt look like it to me from the avatar pic. Even if he has, I could still do 10lbs in 4 weeks.

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Also, running test for 4 weeks sounds counter productive, and I dont see how anyone could put on 10lbs in 4 weeks running test.
Counter productive? How so?
You need to think about it some more.....

BTW...even though it can be very easly done with just Test...who said just Test?
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