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Old 05-02-2007, 08:12 AM   #11
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yeah, its basicly birth control ... would you take your wife/girlfriends ortho to get big?

If you want to use something, dont bother with this overpriced crap. Pick up a bottle of havoc at np and go to town. You can read all the logs at Am.com and you'll see there is no reason to mess with your girlfriends little pack of pills.

LOL Yeah I know what you mean. If I wanted to grow my own set of tits I'd take my ladies bc pill. But that's not the type of chest I'm going for. That's the whole reason why I'm one here asking these questions, thanks for the help with that. I can see how someone can get all mixed up and get on some wrong stuff. That's why I love this place, you get all the unbiased opinions and facts. Not a day goes by where I don't learn something new on here. Thanks Hrdgain

Now what's this other stuff your talking about???
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Old 05-02-2007, 08:32 AM   #12
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hahah yeah we tend to be very upfront in our opinions here. I'm sorry if I came off harsh at all, that wasnt my intention.

Havoc is a prosteroid from RPN nutrition, its gotten very good reviews, although I havent tried it myself. Many people are reporting solid size/strength gains, and some recomp too. It is a steroid though, so your gonna need to take precautions to be safe, and we can help with that here too. I'll get some info together if your interested in it.

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what all will i need besides some saw palmetto, milk thistle, hawthorne berry, and clomid/nov for a good run with this stuff?
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Old 05-02-2007, 11:02 AM   #14
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Sounds like you got everything covered there schorcher ... There has even been talk of doing "pulsing" with this stuff to avoid having to do a pct. Personally i think its a bunk idea, anytime you are cycling you need to have a good pct IMO.
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What are your reccomendations for dosing and times of the cycle support supplements? Should i preload anything a few days out before the cycle? I have the saw palmetto, milk thistle and hawthorne berry. Should i just have my wife go to the doc and say she wants a prescription for clomid? Or is there a pharmaceutical site i can order from or what?
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What are your reccomendations for dosing and times of the cycle support supplements? Should i preload anything a few days out before the cycle? I have the saw palmetto, milk thistle and hawthorne berry. Should i just have my wife go to the doc and say she wants a prescription for clomid? Or is there a pharmaceutical site i can order from or what?
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Yeah I'd like to hear more about this as well. I'm thinking of ordering some havoc, I'd like to get everything in line ahead of time. What should be taken along side of it and what should I take after? From what I've been able to gather you usually use it for a 4 week cycle. I like the idea of the dry gains.
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Well, Havoc is a 17a-methyl so you will want to use milk thistle (liver support supps) the whole way through, some people preload for a week, if you've had liver issues in the past I would advise it, the stuff is cheap enough so better safe then sorry. I'd run it till the last day of pct, especially if your using nolva(tamox) because that is liver toxic as well.

I would make the same suggestion of the saw palmetto, if you have had prostate problems, or hairloss issues pre load and run through pct. I dont believe Havoc has any DHT conversion, so the hairloss thing may not apply, but again, better safe then sorry.

Hawthorne would be the same again, if you have blood pressure issues use it pre, durring, post.

I would also add something to support lipid profiles, such as sesamin (while ON) and fish oil (while in PCT). The reason I say this is because sesamin can cause libido issues in some, and thats not good durring pct.

For pct, this is my usual protocol for a short cycle like this.

weeks 1-3 nolva tapering down 40,30,20mg
weeks 3 and on ATD at 25mg, nettle root (or activate) at 400 mg 4x a day.
weeks 1-3 Fuze 3x a day (scivation makes this)

Basicly, the nolva is to bring back natty test levels, in the last week you add in low dose of ATD to boost natty test levels (by blocking estrogen binding), and then activate to boost free test levels. Fuze is a tribulus product that is cheap and helps to boost LH so you can get your sex drive back.

If your tight on cash, the ATD and activate arent nessisity, I like to use them very much though, they are even effective while not in pct for lean gains.

I will PM you guys about the nolva issue.
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How would this workout? It seems to be an all in one: http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/1...e-support.html
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Also, what if i took tribulus during the cycle? Should i also take some clomid/nolva during?
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The life support stuff looks pretty complete to me, and its pretty cheap too.

You can use trib on cycle, personally I have never seen much use for it, I'm not sure if there are libido issues on Havoc or not, i dont remember reading about any. Maybe have it ready just incase.
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