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Old 02-19-2007, 11:30 AM   #1
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My husband has been working out for 20+ years and has never taken steroids until recently. He is slim naturally and trying to make gains. At age 37, he is having a hard time gaining size the way he used to , and also has trouble eating a lot, but the supp.s help his appetite.

He recently over the last 6 months, has done a few cycle of d-bol alone, last cyle with winstrol. I became concerned and started reading how seriously dangerous to his liver this can be. He works as a GM in a gym so has no problem getting what he needs, just has to be careful who he talks to, because of his position.

He recently bought Test Prop. but hasn't begun yet, because he broke his arm about 4 weeks and still is unable to work out for a couple more months ( I think) so I figured this would be a good time to do some research for/with him. He has lost 12 pounds in the 4 weeks since the break, and is eager to start putting his size back on. I consider myself lucky that he at least is comfortable discussing his choices with me and although I would rather he didn't take them I want to support and help him.

Please help... I am giving as much info as I can as a wife, if i haven't inlcuded enough please let me know.

Age - 37
Weight - 190 (before broken arm- 202)
BFP - 9%
BP - 245
Height 6'0

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Old 02-19-2007, 11:38 AM   #2
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I don't know much about steriods( always reading and learning) But I hear that D-Bol only isn't very good. (someone here will explain alot better) Milk thistle will protect his liver. And something for a PCT(post cycle treatment) like nolvadex.

One thing for sure,if he wants to gain weight he must eat.

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this might help: http://www.bodybuilding.net/anabolic...-etc-2794.html
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First of all will you Marry me. It's great you are trying to help your husband.
Seriously though you are right, the oral steroids are not very good on the liver depending on how you use them and injectible are far safer. Prop alone probably won't be the answer and if this is his first time I recommend he go with Test e instead. That way he would only need 2 shots a week for 12 weeks at 500mg per week or 250mg per shot. He should see some great gains. With prop he will be pinning every day or every other day at least.

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Sentinel - Thank you for the article it is informative - but still leaves so many questions about doasage and length of cycles. I am vervous for my husband to start this crazy stuff, but he seems determined. I just want to be sure we're doing it right.

and Dr X - I knew I would I get at least one response like yours (the proposal I mean) ha ha - I can take the credit for being a great wife or put like this, if I didn;t support his decision, he would do it anyway and hide it from me, so , I had to either support him and help him, or damage the relationship... so even though i may not agree, it was the lesser of two battles.

Thanks for all the help, I think we are still lost but we have some more time to educate, since his arm is still weeks away from being able to lift again. He;s 4 weeks recovered from surgery he crushed the bones, so it may be a couple months even we don;t know yet.
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I disagree with the Doc.

And why is it everyone writes..... first cycle has to be Test E????

If he has no problem with doing the injects......TestP is perfect.

He could do two 4 week cycles in the 12 weeks of doing TestE and have the same or better gains, keep more of it, have less sides, and less PCT with less time off between cycles.

But this isnt my main concern with him.
I'm more concerned about the diet.

Now Darling, he has 2 options in regrads to this......either he can use a steroid to increase the appetite or one that greatly utilizes the food he does eat.

BUT there is no option with the Protein intake......at least 1.5g per lb of body weight. The more the better.

Also Darling.....
First thing he needs to do is rehab that arm.

OBTW....milk thristle also regenerates the liver.
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OBTW.....did he have any estrogen issues?

They reason I ask is Dbol aromatase (converts to estrogen) quite heavily.
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No he didn'e seem to have any obvious problems. The only things we were able to notice from the d-bol was increased appetite, increased sex drive (best part) weight gain of about 12lbs in 8 weeks. a bit of increased aggresion, he has a tendency toward this anyway, so I have to do a little tip toeing, not a big deal, we work through it...

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i agree with Ironbull. test prop would be the better way to go as it is fast acting and he will have much more flexibility in tailoring his dosage to meet his expectations and minimize any unexpected side effects. (and after that nervous first injection, he'll probably look forward to the next poke, and the next one, etc etc)

as for the dangers of orals, well, IMO it's way overhyped. unless your husband is doing outrageous doses for extended periods of time while drinking like a college frat boy he's most likely gonna be fine.

if you read around, you'll see the guys that bash orals by themselves as being dangerous are the same guys that tout them as being an excellent addition to an injectible based cycle. 30mg/day of dbol is going to place the same stress on your system whether you have 500mg/wk of test coursing through your veins or not.


at his size/age, 350mg-400mg/wk of test prop for 6-8 wks would plenty to help him see some very nice gains. he could even extend it out to 10 wks or so if he wanted. everyone has a different view on what types of dosages to use... IMO it's better to start out low and work your way up as you learn how your body reacts to these substances. after a point, side effects go up exponentially as gains flatten out. and although it's tempting after that first cycle, double the dose does not mean double the gains... more is not always better.
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i agree with Ironbull. test prop would be the better way to go as it is fast acting and he will have much more flexibility in tailoring his dosage to meet his expectations and minimize any unexpected side effects. (and after that nervous first injection, he'll probably look forward to the next poke, and the next one, etc etc)

as for the dangers of orals, well, IMO it's way overhyped. unless your husband is doing outrageous doses for extended periods of time while drinking like a college frat boy he's most likely gonna be fine.

if you read around, you'll see the guys that bash orals by themselves as being dangerous are the same guys that tout them as being an excellent addition to an injectible based cycle. 30mg/day of dbol is going to place the same stress on your system whether you have 500mg/wk of test coursing through your veins or not.


at his size/age, 350mg-400mg/wk of test prop for 6-8 wks would plenty to help him see some very nice gains. he could even extend it out to 10 wks or so if he wanted. everyone has a different view on what types of dosages to use... IMO it's better to start out low and work your way up as you learn how your body reacts to these substances. after a point, side effects go up exponentially as gains flatten out. and although it's tempting after that first cycle, double the dose does not mean double the gains... more is not always better.
Nice post brother.
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