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Old 03-01-2007, 11:40 PM   #1
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Hi guys,

Me again just wondering what can I expect from a sustanoncycle?
week 1: 250mg
week 2-5: 500mg
week 6: 250mg
week 8: 100mg/day clomid
week 9-10: 50mg/day clomid

I just want your advise I am not sure of doing it so any advise would be nice ;-) thnx
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not much
test-e would be much better at 500mg week for 10-12 weeks

I'm assuming your over 21
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Old 03-05-2007, 01:23 AM   #3
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Bro, that cycle is no good.

Length, dosage, and PCT is all messed up.
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Old 03-24-2007, 09:30 AM   #4
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Yep definitely a wuss cycle..;)
1st cycle? Go at least 500 mg a week for 10-12 weeks
Sust is ok if that's all you got and are cashed out but yeah enanthate is the way to go..

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This would be a better first cycle, No I didnt write this

If this is your first time around I implore you to go with just a Test only cycle (d-bol is fine to add), combine that with a 4000-5000 calorie a day strict clean diet, along with 8 hours of good sleep every night, and last but not least a sound training program that kicks your ass. You will be amazed by the results. Wait to begin stacking until you know how you react to the Test.

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What should be your first cycle...Test only
Week 1-10-12 400-500mg Test Enth or Cyp. (2 shots per week)
PCT (14 days after last shot for Enth., 18 days for Cyp)
Day 1 300mg Clomid, Day 2-11 100mg clomid, day 12-21 50mg clomid
Week 13-15 20mg Nolva ED

Possible additions...
Week 1-4 D-bol 25-35 mg ED (spread throughout day at 3-4 hour intervals)
Week 1-12 .25mg or L-dex ED (if the bloat is too much for you)
Week 1-12 10mg Nolva ED (if you are prone to gyno, not if you simply think you are prone)

The longer esters (Enth or Cyp) of Test are more ideal for a first cycle based on the fact that this should be your first time pinning yourself. As such having to jab 1-2 times per week would be more easily accomplished then Prop with ED injects. The D-bol is optional as a kick start to the cycle before the Test kicks in. I prefer PCT with a CLomid and Nolva combo, some might say this is overkill and if you are one of them then Clomid only is fine as outlined above.

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Old 03-24-2007, 10:42 AM   #6
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Agreed. 500mg/wk test e. is the quintessential first cycle. I'd suggest laying off the d-bol for a future cycle. The primary reason to just run test is to see how you'll react. With two or more drugs if things go wrong or you develop intolerable sides (and it's highly unlikely on this cycle) you'll know what caused it. Besides 500mg/wk is plenty to grow on first time out. It's probably enough for the next couple cycles as well for that matter. Keep it simple.

I prefer keeping Arimidex on hand for immediate use if you find you're particularly prone to gyno. Arimidex will not hamper your gains like the out-dated Nolvadex can. It's unlikely you'll have a problem with this light a cycle but can't hurt to have handy. Nolva at this stage if you already have it and if A-dex is too expensive is fine though.

For PCT Aromasin is far superior to Clomid along with a low dose of Nolva or Aromasin alone would be sufficient and is in fact preferable. Again if you're over budget Clomid's ok but you will need Nolva along with it. Start it 10 days to 2 weeks after your last shot, run it maybe a couple weeks. Clomid makes me feel horrible BTW but that may not apply to others.

Don't over sweat this cycle either. It's very doubtful you'll have any issues with gyno or post cycle recovery on 500mg/wk alone. Stick with just the test, learn how you respond with it, work out hard and eat well and you'll like the results.


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Bro...never use an AI, such as Aromasin for PCT.
You are at risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile....is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).
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Bro...never use an AI, such as Aromasin for PCT.
You are at risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile....is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).
No we definitely don't!

You prefer the Nolva/Clomid combo IB?
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Here's what I base my thinking on Bull. and I'd appreciate yours and anyone elses take on this--

I've done some research and can't really find anything that shows AI's are bad for lipid profiles. I've also found a lot of info that indicates Nolva can be detrimental to muscle building and some say avoid it entirely based on what seemed to me, at least, to be based on sound info. (I'll dig it up if you like)

Here's some of what I've found.--

FROM: Hellenic Breast Surgeons Society (HBSS), 8 Iassiou Street, Athens, Attica 11521, Greece. cmarkop@hol.gr
CONCLUSIONS: Exemestane (aromasin) appears to have a neutral effect on total cholesterol and HDL levels. Unlike tamoxifen's positive effect on LDL levels, exemestane does not significantly alter LDL levels. Tamoxifen (Nolvadex)on the other hand increases triglyceride levels, while exemestane results in a beneficial reduction in TRG levels.


FROM: Jules Bordet Institute, Brussels, Belgium.
CONCLUSIONS: Overall, exemestane (aromasin) has no detrimental effect on cholesterol levels and the atherogenic indices, which are well-known risk factors for coronary artery disease. In addition, it has a beneficial effect on TRG(triglycerides) levels.


FROM: Department of Breast Medical Oncology, The University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, 1515 Holcombe Blvd, Unit 424, Houston, Texas 77030, USA. festeva@mdanderson.org
CONCLUSIONS: Long-term adjuvant anastrozole (arimidex) treatment resulted in significantly fewer thromboembolic and cerebrovascular events and a similar incidence of ischemic cardiovascular events compared with tamoxifen (nolvadex).

FROM:Endocrine Unit, Department of Medicine, Massachusetts General Hospital, Bulfinch 327, Fruit Street, Boston, MA 02114, USA. bzleder@partners.org
CONCLUSIONS: These results suggest that anastrozole (arimidex)therapy is unlikely to have an adverse effect on bone metabolism when taken over extended periods and may prove to be a valuable method of normalizing testosterone production in men.


Of course you can't mix Nolva with Arimidex or Letrozole because Nolva reduces the blood levels of both. So use Aromasin (and some Nolva if you wish)since Nolva doesn't hurt Aromasin blood levels. Keep the dose low at no more than 20-25mgs/day so estrogen doesn't go too low. Aromasin is only about 65% efficient at suppressing estrogen anyway**. At that dose, Aromasin raises testosterone levels by about 60%, and also help out your free to bound testosterone ratio by lowering levels of Sex Hormone Binding Globulin by about 20%.***

**Zilembo N., Noberasco C., Bajetta E., Martinetti A., Mariani L., Orefici S. Endocrinological and clinical evaluation of exemestane, a new steroidal aromatase inhibitor. Br. J. Cancer, 72: 1007-1012, 1995

***The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism Vol. 88, No. 12 5951-5956 Copyright © 2003 by The Endocrine Society

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Bro...never use an AI, such as Aromasin for PCT.
You are at risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile....is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).
Why not drop the dosage then? or use your AI and Serm inversely?
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