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Old 03-18-2009, 07:19 PM   #11
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If that's the case, then the first two weeks will be extremely difficult on you. Trust me, I just came off of a keto diet. Prepare for mental fog, difficulty concentrating, and a really flat look (as your muscles lose glycogen/water storage).. It's all mental. Stick with it. For myself, after about 10 days straight of under 30 grams carbs, I felt terrific.

My advice is to get a lot of green tea and add it to a gallon of water per day. With the lack of carbs, the way Pulumbo structured it, your metabolism (body temp) will slow down.

I don't remember if he recommends a carbup or not, but I'd most definately recommend one or even two per week. It all goes to filling up your muscles anyways, and doesn't put you too far out of ketosis.. I personally like two carb up days during a ketosis diet like this. Gym performance improves greatly, which is really what you want in addition to the scale going down. I structed mine close to what Lyle recommends.. Starting with high GI carbs, then working my way down to the oatmeal and sweet potatoes.

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Old 03-18-2009, 07:23 PM   #12
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a serious cut, down 25lbs as of today, just wanna sorts "shock" my system with something differant
BTW, are you saying you haven't taken a break at maintenence yet?
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BTW, are you saying you haven't taken a break at maintenence yet?
not sure what you mean??

my diet was high protien med carb low,low fat
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I was wondering if you've been in a deficit for a long time.. Guessing so if you've dropped all that weight. If not, then you're good to go. But if you've been in a deficit for so long, it does cause a lot of wear and tear on your metabolism.

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I was wondering if you've been in a deficit for a long time.. Guessing so if you've dropped all that weight. If not, then you're good to go. But if you've been in a deficit for so long, it does cause a lot of wear and tear on your metabolism.
Well since I started this cut, I would add in a cheat meal, when I felt I really needed it, Or at times just ease up on my diet for a day.


I piked this diet for a couple reasons, but I really like the simplicity of it. Also it won't break the bank.

Now when he mentions adding in a cheat meal 1x a week. What is his definition of a cheat meal??? just eating anything?? adding in a serving of carbs like pasta or rice??

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Old 03-19-2009, 05:37 AM   #16
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Just be human. It's extremely difficult to drop all carbs.. Trust me on this. The only way I was able to do it is with a full carb loading day. But if you must, not that it's necessary, just have whatever you want for that meal. You may feel the motivation now, as we all start off a keto with, but once you really start up, the cravings kick in, BIGTIME. That's your body telling you to refuel!

The problem I see with that plan is that there's almost no attention to using carbs to your advantage. Yes, keto is protein sparing, but there's A LOT of benefits from incorperating the carb ups.. ESPECIALLY when your thyroid output is concerned. Without adequate carb ups, your thyroid (metabolism) will just keep free fallin'.. You'll end up noticing that the scale will stop moving, even when you're putting yourself further and further in the hole deficit wise.

I don't know if a single cheat meal is near enough. It's not worth the drop in performance you WILL end up having without carbs. I've seen a lot of regular diets with balanced macros have a carbup meal every 3-4 days. But keto diets generally speaking still needs carbs. Once your body switches over, you're set. Glycogen fills back up, but the knock out of ketosis is short. Agressive keto's like what Dave recommends IMHO looks more for people doing contest prep vs. general fat loss. I'm basing my opinion on the fact that he doesn't want you to have ANY carbs for 41 out of 42 meals per week.

But, that's just me. It sounds like you're attacking this like a madman right out the chute lol. If you can hack it, go for it!

Only training advice I know works extremely well with keto is to keep volume LOW and heavy.. Cardio, do NOT do HIIT. Just walk the pounds off.
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But, that's just me. It sounds like you're attacking this like a madman right out the chute lol. If you can hack it, go for it!
I'll tell you I've been dieting hard for about the last 8-9 weeks, and yesterdays meals were sooooo fulfulling. It was so nice to eat some fat.

Plus I'm taking some supps that drasticly reduce muscle lose on diets, along with a fatburner stack

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Only training advice I know works extremely well with keto is to keep volume LOW and heavy..

Whats that????? gonna have to google that term, not in my vocab






Did the breakdown using "My daily Plate" and only using verified foods

Protein--300g
Carbs--55g
Fat---205g

Cals--3158

I'll be adding in 1 chix breast, somewhere throughout the day so it will be more like

Protien-341
Cal--3333

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55 grams of carbs seems really high. Probably not a big deal since you're only looking at one carbup meal a week in the grand scheme of things. But when you factor in all the hidden carbs in things you may use like condiments, ect - It really adds up.

Having done a full keto diet, which worked extremely well for me, I think you'll be pleased with the results. Especially energy wise. Gym performance does suffer a bit though, which is why I much prefer a TCD above all else. TCD as in not a keto due to postworkout carb feedings. BUT, according to Lyle's very comprehensive book on ketogenic dieting, you would still kick back in ketosis a few hours following the postworkout feeding IF you already made the metabolic switch from carbs to ketones. If I was to do it all over again, no doubt I'd go the first two weeks w/ under 30 grams of carbs per day (think veggies), hit the switch, then operate in postworkout feedings w/ high gi only, with one full day of carb loading.
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that was just using his food that I came up with 55g of carbs. Maybe "the daily plate" is wrong???

well this is where I'm at today, lets see what happens in the next 6 weeks (end of contest) unless I just started gaining a bunch of fat, I'll stick to it 100%

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If I was to do it all over again, no doubt I'd go the first two weeks w/ under 30 grams of carbs per day (think veggies), hit the switch, then operate in postworkout feedings w/ high gi only, with one full day of carb loading.
That's exactly how I would do it also.
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