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Massive JP 08-14-2006 01:37 PM

Weight Loss - Questions
 
1. I'm a real big fan of chocolate. Big problem. I just can't help myself from eating chocolate, candy, chips, etc. etc. all the time... Suggestions?

2. I'm planning on starting to do 10 minutes or something per day on a stepper-type machine I have. Is that enough, along with a lesuire walk?

3. How many crunches should I start off with; I mean, I can't do many, haven't done them a lot really, but should I add 2 more per day or something?

4. I can't even do a pushup... [Okay, thats more strength, but whatever]. If I lose weight, that will make pushups easier right, because there will be less weight to push up.

BTW, I'm 5 ft 4in or something and 140lbs... :eek:

triqqey 08-15-2006 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Massive JP
1. I'm a real big fan of chocolate. Big problem. I just can't help myself from eating chocolate, candy, chips, etc. etc. all the time... Suggestions?

2. I'm planning on starting to do 10 minutes or something per day on a stepper-type machine I have. Is that enough, along with a lesuire walk?

3. How many crunches should I start off with; I mean, I can't do many, haven't done them a lot really, but should I add 2 more per day or something?

4. I can't even do a pushup... [Okay, thats more strength, but whatever]. If I lose weight, that will make pushups easier right, because there will be less weight to push up.

BTW, I'm 5 ft 4in or something and 140lbs... :eek:


Answers IMO:

1. Buy a chocolate-flavored whey protein powder if you're addicted to chocolate. Otherwise, just don't have snacks, chocolate, etc. lying around your house and try not to walk around places that sell that stuff or do the old-fashioned thought of "whenever I get a craving for that, I'll eat brocolli (or some other healthy snack that may or may not taste too good)." Really, the only time you could get away with eating a candy bar would be seconds after finishing a hard bout of cardio

2. First off, at 140 lbs, IMO you shouldn't be doing too much cardio. Leisure walks are OK, but you shouldn't consider those exercise. When you do cardio, just remember that it takes about 20 minutes or so to get into the fat-burning state. Up to 20 minutes, your body is using the fatty acids in the blood stream, glucose, etc. If you do too much cardio in one session (i.e. more than 45 minutes), then your body starts to eat away at hard-earned lean muscle tissue along with fat deposits

3. Don't worry too much about crunches. Honestly, just do crunches 3x a week at most, and train them with weights when you are able to crunch with a weight. At most, do about 4 sets of 10 - 15 crunches with a weight. Your abdominal muscles are made of the same muscles as your biceps, so why train them too much differently? At some point, doing 100 crunches a day turns into cardio more than anabolic muscle training

4. If you're having trouble doing pushups, no prob. Just start off doing a pushup against a wall and eventually working your way down the wall until you are strong enough to do a pushup off the floor. Overall, pushups are more cardio/muscle conditioning more so than muscle building. If you have access, doing barbell bench presses are a lot more beneficial, even if you can barely do one repetition with only the bar.

Finally, the most important aspect is your diet and the iron determination to make a change in your life. Good luck!

hrdgain81 08-15-2006 11:34 AM

I'll lay this out like Triggey:

1. Honestly get over it. If you cant see a brownie and not eat it you need to work that shit out. Think of it this way, what would make me feel better, eating a brownie, or not being fat?

2. There is no reason you shouldnt be doing cardio. Start out slow, and work your way up, I would go 3 times a week, around 30-40mins per session at max.

3. I wouldnt do cruches at all right now. you could do them till you pass out they wont make you any thinner. If you absolutely need to do them, throw them in with your wieght training maybe twice a week, but dont sweat them.

4. What Triggey said.

I would also add that your diet is gonna make or break you here. I'd read everything you can on this site about dieting and fatloss. there is a lot here, and you will find something to get you to your goals. All you need to do is man up and you will be fine.

hrdgain81 08-15-2006 11:56 AM

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When you do cardio, just remember that it takes about 20 minutes or so to get into the fat-burning state. Up to 20 minutes, your body is using the fatty acids in the blood stream, glucose, etc. If you do too much cardio in one session (i.e. more than 45 minutes), then your body starts to eat away at hard-earned lean muscle tissue along with fat deposits
This isnt exactly true, yes after 20min or so your body will have less blood sugar to use. However, it has no difinitive effect on fat loss. If it did, all those doing HIIT would still be fat.

Also as far as burning muscle goes, there isnt much to burn for you at this point JP. You will need to worry about this later down the road when your all buffed up and jacked though.

Massive JP 08-15-2006 02:34 PM

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1. Honestly get over it. If you cant see a brownie and not eat it you need to work that shit out. Think of it this way, what would make me feel better, eating a brownie, or not being fat?
Amusingly, I hate brownies...but I get your point. Maybe I over-exxagarated(sp)... I don't eat chocolate ' all the time ', i just think I do, probably 3-4 times a week... :(

2. To Triggey: Why not?

3. Ok...

4. Once again, ok...

BTW, its funny... I probably spend more time outdoors than anyone I know... but its more-less exploring ( don't ask, rocks ) than exercise, but whatever.

triqqey 08-16-2006 01:31 PM

for #2, first off what hrdgain said was true, but MassiveJP was talking about using a stairmaster machine. Technically you could do HIIT on that machine, but it would be a lot more difficult to do HIIT on a stairmaster than just doing all-out sprints.
If you want to keep doing a whole lot of cardio, that's your choice, I just stated that it was IMO, meaning "in my opinion." At 140 lbs, it would be better for you to be more focused on building and maintaining lean muscle tissue. While building more muscle on your frame (and I'm assuming you have a genetically high metabolism), you won't have to worry too much about cardio until later. That is, unless you want to be very skinny. If that's the case, by all means up the cardio.

Massive JP 08-16-2006 03:04 PM

I have low metabolism... because even when i don't eat a whole lot and exercise , I still don't lose any....

I'm not going to go completely into bodybuilding, just weightlifting a bit, so I'd want to do cardio I guess, what do you think?

neria 08-16-2006 11:08 PM

hey me too, I have a very low metabolism. And the problem is I really eat a lot. whew.. I guess we have something in common huh.
(Dont wanna mention my weight though):02:

And I cant take away myself from burgers..

sweilem 08-17-2006 02:11 AM

fat loss was a big headache to me as i had a big tummy and i had to hear about it everyday from my wife,,lol, anyways, i will share with you what really worked with me after all,
1- you have to work out daily and sweat! keep yourself sweating through the time you exercise.
2- have a high protein diet, cut off the white bread and rice and other bad fats. stick to whole grain bread.
3- you might want to use l-crinitine to urge your body to burn fat.
4-drink lots of water, minimum 2liters daily.
5-leave 3hours minimum between your last meal and your bed time

i hope this helps, if im wrong in anypoint then anybody is welcome to correct me,i got to go now
cheers!

sweilem 08-17-2006 02:19 AM

one thing i forgot to mention, you have to divide your meals into 6 or even 7 meals a day, keep them small portions, and this will send a message to your body not to store food as fat coz there is another meal on the way,beleive me this really works, eat more, but small portions 7 times a day and you will loose weight...you will be amazed what your body can do.

hrdgain81 08-17-2006 05:47 AM

Triggey, I would normally agree with you. But this is in the fatloss forum, so I'm going with the assumption that JP wants to focus on fatloss here.

JP, going along with what triggey said, lifting wieghts burns cals too. So I would definately suggest you start wieght training if your not already. Look through the articles posted here. "how to cut" should be a good basis for what you want to do.

Massive JP 08-18-2006 02:37 PM

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4-drink lots of water, minimum 2liters daily.
Heh. I drink 5 litres+ per day (don't ask...)

triqqey 08-23-2006 11:26 AM

hehe, oh yea we ARE in the weight loss forum, my bad. i saw in another topic that JP is only 11 years old. weight lifting may not be for you yet, so the best advice would be to go with what the other more experienced users on this forum would have to say about that. my guess is that you have an endomorphic body (ectomorph are the "skinny as a rail" people, mesomorph bodies can gain a moderate amount of fat and lose a moderate amount of fat; same with muscle, and the endomorph packs on the pounds very fast due to the lowest metabolism)

at 11 years old and having access to a computer, my advice would be to do mostly bodyweight exercises, cardio, learning the correct diet, and research all you can about training for an endomorphic body.

EricT 08-23-2006 12:44 PM

Here is my take as a parent.

I have no doubt that you have a legitimate concern about being overweight. There is, after all, an epedimic of overweight children (forgive me for saying children but I can't call you a teen, can I?). However the idea of an 11 year old "dieting" disturbs me and I almost wish I could see pictures of you to give you an objective opinion since there is also an epidemic of distorted body images for children....before anyone accuses me of being to "sensitive" I will mention that my 4 YEAR OLD son, just the other day, asked his mother "does this make me look fat?" upon trying on a coat the other day. That shit is DISTURBING.

I also believe that at 11 years old it is TOO EARLY to start calling yourself an endomorph, mesomorph or any other morph...just as likely that you have simply not learned good eating habits and metabolism is a function of diet and activity level as well as gentics, not to mention those androgens I mentioned earlier. In fact, what you do during puberty can have a GREAT effect of where your body ends up wanting to be later on in life.

What an 11 year old should be doing is getting out and MOVING. Running around. Playing. Sports, tag, whatever. Get out from in front of the frigging computer, the video games if you play them, the TV...get off your ass and be a kid instead of a zombie. Find a physical activity you like, maybe somethng like Martial Arts...but just DO IT. Play, have a good time, the harder the better. Go out and get dirty.

Learn proper and healthy eating habits and make it a lifestyle. You have the time now to determine what the rest of your life will be like. Now I turn the soapbox over to someone else...:) .

phreaknite 08-23-2006 01:06 PM

I'm with eric, i told you in another thread that i recommend martial arts.....i really think thats the best option. I know a lot of kids at my old martial arts school lost huge amounts of weight and were doing crazy flips after just a year or two.

EricT 08-23-2006 01:36 PM

A thousand pardons, Phreaknite, I didn't connect the two threads. I usually pay more attention than that. http://www.bodybuilding.net/21755-8-post.html.

I had meant to say something about the weight work but I got so busy speachifying I forgot.

It is most commonly recommended to wait until adolescence to begin weight work. In general this means around age 13 although it varies (a clue: if your getting facial hair, pubic hair, or some more size down below that's a hint that puberty may have begun).

However there is no real reason to fear weightlifing at age 11 so long as it is done safely and with certain guidelines in mind. Most strength gains for preadolescents will be neural adaptations. It is possible to get a little muscle gain but the adrogens are just not in place to put on a lot yet. Yes, I saw "Little Hercules" too and besides the fact that the kid looks hideous I think it's pretty safe to say his "special diet" was spiked.

If it were my son at 11 I would start him out with moderate weights. In fact I would probably choose a weight he could do 12 to 15 reps with so I guess I should say fairly light. He would not up the weights until he could complete 3, if not 4 sets with that. Strict adherence to form, proper warmup, and post workout stretching would be mandatory. I would avoid the dynamic olympic lifts.

I'd start him with bodyweight squats until the above guidelines are met and then move on to a light empty bar. Keeping in mind that there is not a big relationship between doing bw squats and proper form for weighted squats so form still has to be learned. I wouldn't have him bench at first but would start with pushups. Setting records would not be a priority. Slow and steady would be the credo.

No deadlifts or any exercises that exert shearing forces on the spine. Plenty of rest between sets at least at first.

TunaMan 08-23-2006 01:56 PM

man just believe you can do it, research everything there is about dieting and stuff. I really got motivated from dickheads who teased me in the past and some negativity i was in. through them, i've lost 43 lbs and there amazed..my whole life completely changed. ( im gonna be a senior in highschool ) i just met this amazing girl this summer...now if i didnt lose that weight, there's no way in hell i'd be dating this hot ass chick..you gotta think about looking good for the future and when your doing it with your girlfriend, you want to feel good right?! right. the feeling of waking up everymorning happy and slim is the best feeling ever. It's better then being rich and having money. there are to many fat people who are rich but aren't happy. dude eat bad sometimes. It's really retarded not to. i always found my self eating crap unfortunately. which was dumb of me...so if you want to avoid that, try a little and stop! its all mental...if you want more info just let me know, but i promise you anything is possible..

phreaknite 08-23-2006 02:17 PM

no pardons necessary eric, I was just backing you up ;)

I would recommend martial arts to anyone, anytime, anywhere...especially to lose weight.

I figure the more people who say it, the more he will see its a great idea :biglaugh:


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