SFP vs HIIT

[_Wolf_]

Originally Posted by Eric3237

Yeah, for IK it could be very applicable. I was inserting a caveat for others (beginners looking to lose fat and/or build muslce) who may misunderstand the situation (i think that is what Anuj was alluding also).

thats what i was doing.....people wanting to lose weight so fast....everyone wants things FAST...no one wants to climb up the ladder slowly and steadily.

[EricT]

good point, i wasnt thinking about noobs lookin at this thread, sometimes i forget.

Yeah. I just find that some many people think of "cutting" and "losing fat" as the same thing. And they are so not the same thing. Not many people really need to get down to 5 or 7% anyway. Sorry, IK for digressing though.

[hrdgain81]

^^ we tend to do that from time to time

[IronKitten]

Originally Posted by hrdgain81

Two things:

1. its from Lyle so its gonna work, the guy is good, period. I've ran the ud2 before and as grueling as it is, it works. I put a lot of faith in the guy.

2. if you do use the sfp, please log your progress here, I would be very interested to see the outcome.

3. (I know i said 2 things) Just from reading that it makes sense, but its gonna be a pain in the ass. I dont function well in the morning so this may not be an option for me, but if can handle it more power to ya IK.

1. Lyle's got some damn good stuff. I've never used any of his programs, but I definitely pay attention to his philosophies.

2. Will do

3. I'm not much of a morning person either. Luckily there's some stims in the protocol Plus, there's another option for it which I'll get into replying to one of Eric's posts...

[IronKitten]

Originally Posted by Eric3237

Yeah, for IK it could be very applicable. I was inserting a caveat for others (beginners looking to lose fat and/or build muslce) who may misunderstand the situation (i think that is what Anuj was alluding also). The only thing I would wonder, IK, is if you ever tried fasted HIIT in the first place. I assume probably you have. But if not I would think that jumping from comparing HIIT to this protocol wouldn't be as "fair" as comparing this protocol with just fasted HIIT without the additional steady state (maybe with the sups?) to this protocol. That may not make sense really just wondering.

Makes sense to me

I haven't done a morning fasted HIIT. Although I have done partially fasted HIIT sessions, ie, no food for 4 hours prior (my meals generally run every 2-2.5 hours). It wasn't all that fun, but it wasn't all much worse than a typical grueling session.

Also, with the SFP, there is an option to not do it first thing in the morning (that wasn't in the original layout I posted). He's stated that if first thing in the morning isn't an option then doing the program later in the day on a partial fast, no food for at least 3 hours, works just the same as the morning fasted. Of course still taking the supps an hour prior. This seems like it would be the timing *I* personally would choose.

I've also run some HIIT sessions that were somewhat similar to this protocol, although these ones weren't completely fasted when I did them:

5 minute warmup
90/90's for 5 cycles (15 minutes total)
5 minute cool down
Switch machines, 20 minutes moderate SS
Eat when I got home (roughly 20 minutes after)

What I posted was sort of the 'original' plan for this protocol. He's since added little tweaks that people can do... in the original he says for an all out 5' sprint OR 5'x1' intervals for 10' total. He's said that interval times can vary but keep them to longer sprints, with 30" being the shortest sprint used (but he prefers they stay upwards of 1' sprints).

So SFP is similar to things I've done before, it's just the addition of the supps (which I generally ALWAYS have some caffeine before the gym ) and ensuring the fasted state.

[IronKitten]

Originally Posted by Eric3237

Yeah. I just find that some many people think of "cutting" and "losing fat" as the same thing. And they are so not the same thing. Not many people really need to get down to 5 or 7% anyway. Sorry, IK for digressing though.

Good points you guys have made about people thinking this could be a 'quick fix' program. I'll go back and edit and put it in some notes about how this is NOT simply a 'fat loss' plan.

[EricT]

That's a cool thing to do. You shouldn't really have to do something like that if there wasn't so much misinformation and confusion floating around. Course just the title "STUBBORN fat protocol" should make it obvious. But I know quite a few overweight people who think ALL their fat is stubborn .

[IronKitten]

Originally Posted by Eric3237

That's a cool thing to do. You shouldn't really have to do something like that if there wasn't so much misinformation and confusion floating around. Course just the title "STUBBORN fat protocol" should make it obvious. But I know quite a few overweight people who think ALL their fat is stubborn .

I'm pretty sure I know quite a few people like that too.

[hrdgain81]

very nice, in about a year when i'm ready for this i would use the partial fasted (non morning) version myself. Good stuff IK.

[casty23]

I like SFP