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Old 02-25-2007, 06:52 PM   #11
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lol Ill take the bet.... ill set up the journal as well! Which form of Rippetoe's should i do?
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Old 02-25-2007, 06:55 PM   #12
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The Starting Strength one is the one that has the 3x5 I think. RabidRabbit is doing Rippetoe's program, you should check out his journal because he's kicking the shit out of it.

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Old 02-25-2007, 09:14 PM   #13
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Just a few things. I agree the Rippletoe is a great idea.

Don't try it for two months though. Do it for as long as you progress. There is not time limit on beginner and intermediate programs.

And that's the other thing. Everybody please stop saying 'single factor 5x5', it makes no sense and is misleading....plus in bugs the shit out of me. Say 'intermediate 5x5' or I'm gonna start eating nails

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 02-26-2007, 06:39 AM   #14
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Don't try it for two months though. Do it for as long as you progress. There is not time limit on beginner and intermediate programs.
I should've put that in originally. My reasoning for putting the 2 months was to illustrate my point that a split isn't nearly as effective as a full body program, and that his 1 year on a split would be the same as 2 months on Ripps

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And that's the other thing. Everybody please stop saying 'single factor 5x5', it makes no sense and is misleading....plus in bugs the shit out of me. Say 'intermediate 5x5' or I'm gonna start eating nails
I know it bugs you lol. But I put single factor 5x5 because I know there are alot of journal's titled 'Single Factor 5x5' so it makes searching the site alot easier.

You could alwasy eat your nails while I'm eating my 45lb plate?
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Old 02-26-2007, 07:45 AM   #15
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I should've put that in originally. My reasoning for putting the 2 months was to illustrate my point that a split isn't nearly as effective as a full body program, and that his 1 year on a split would be the same as 2 months on Ripps
Yeah I hear ya. Strengthwise it certainly could. But one of the keys to this kind of training is patient plodding along and realizing the value of the investment you're putting in. The thing is that different people will see differing amounts of mass in the first few monts because SO MUCH strength can be seen from neural adapatations and just changes in muscle composition. Now all that stuff is going to pay off BIGTIME in the longer run.

But the reason I wanted to interject is because of those reasons I stated above. Some people, when comparing it to the mass they get initially from a split, if only looking at things in terms of two months, may get very discouraged with what they see as lack of progress. So it's important to know that different people will react differently but most everbody will gain massive amounts of strength and the mass will come along with it.

So it's very important, what you, Kane said about splits not being effective unless your pushing serious amounts of iron. And of course these full-body programs will put on serious amounts of good quality mass...and I mean a lot when compared to a split for a non-advanced lifter (which in reality is most people).

I like to be very clear about these things because there has been a lot of misinformation floating around. For instance when the Starting Strength first started making internet rounds it was being described as a "3 month program" and that "Ripletoe used this to put 50 pounds of mass on beginners". That's a little misleading (see reasons above) since some people might be on it for close to a year. But make no mistake, you'll get stronger faster this way than most any way and most will put on some serious mass.

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Old 04-05-2007, 07:12 PM   #16
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Old 04-06-2007, 07:42 AM   #17
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Old 04-11-2007, 05:54 PM   #18
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Good reading through this guys.. good timing for me as well as I was about to start a split and at the very start after a long lay-off!
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Old 04-14-2007, 02:12 PM   #19
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Do both.

Center your workouts around bulking with basics as has been described here. As far as the diet goes though, it's pointless to eat yourself fat thinking that the extra calories help gain muscle. It'll all have to come off sooner or later. Eat enough to gain of course and maybe even lean toward too much rather than too little just don't go nuts. IMO it's very discouraging to watch the fat accumulating hiding the muscle you do put on. Having 18" arms doesn't look like much if you're in 38" pants.You don't appear to be naturally lean (nor am I) either and will probably smooth out easily if you're not careful.

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Old 04-14-2007, 07:16 PM   #20
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Whatcha grabbing in that last pic... haha
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