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Old 12-05-2005, 01:27 PM   #11
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Hope you never get thrown in prison.
lmfao petey is EXTREMELY random and hardcore as you can tell
awsome progress though kane definatly keep it up
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Old 12-05-2005, 07:13 PM   #12
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I wish I had pictures of myself back before I started I'm like 10 months right now. Would be pretty cool to see the change. Your pics look good man keep up the good work.
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Old 12-09-2005, 11:30 AM   #13
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<squinting eyes at these cracks about early 40s being ancient>
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Old 12-09-2005, 01:40 PM   #14
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I'm 36, so I better not really believe early 40's is ancient being it's right around the corner. It was just irony. Based on petey's being trapped in perpetual adolescence.

And because he was picking on Kane, whom I like a lot and who has the class not to repond himself.

Meant no insult to any 40 somethings (other than pete), since I consider it a young age.
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Old 12-09-2005, 01:56 PM   #15
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...he was picking on Kane...who has the class not to repond himself.
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Old 12-09-2005, 02:02 PM   #16
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Thanks for the clarification, Eric.

At 45+, I agree, age is just a number. At least, I hope it is, since I'm staring at my fifth decade down the road.

Forgive me while I learn more of the personalities that populate this website...and you learn a bit more about mine.

I agree, Kane has made remarkable progress for an ectomoroh turning endomorph. True as well, by looking at Kane's older photos, you can see that he has long arms and legs, which also work against the appearance of bulk (as Peter well knows).

Curiously, I wonder at what point in mass gain do we consider Kane an mesomorph? We know BMI is a poor metric. Is therea weight to height ratio that would serve as a better guide?

Hmm. I think I have seen body circumference measurements posted in a chart form....can't remember where...


I look forward to seeing your photo updates, Kane. You've really been working hard to make your transformation. Very, very cool.
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Old 12-09-2005, 02:55 PM   #17
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hehehe
Yeah, buddy, I know you can throw down with the best of 'em .

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I agree, Kane has made remarkable progress for an ectomoroh turning endomorph. True as well, by looking at Kane's older photos, you can see that he has long arms and legs, which also work against the appearance of bulk (as Peter well knows).

Curiously, I wonder at what point in mass gain do we consider Kane an mesomorph?
Now that's a fascinating question. I only recently started kicking around these terms myself and don't everything about their origins. But if I understand the terms correctly, then I think the simple answer would be never.

I don't think most of us are pure ectomorphs, endomorphs, or mesomorphs. Most of us have at least some aspects of more than one type. I actually would consider Kane an ecto-mesomorph He has fairly wide shoulders, for one thing. And just his ability to put on mass, to me, gives him something more in common with mesomorphs, since pure ectomorphs are supposed to find it very difficult to put on mass, and have very low inherent muscle mass.

I consider myself an ecto-mesomorph even though at one point in my life I weighed as little as 105 pounds and in the absence of weight training I would probably bottom out at a resting weight of around 125 (in come Peter with some comments).

Whether Kane is an ecto or an ecto-meso he will always be that if, as I said, I understand the terms correctly, and they refer only to body shape and to one's tendecies in terms of muscle gain, appetite, and other things. And can only be used as a simple gauge to help you know what to expect from your body.

Course, it all just becomes names after a while and this is just my take on it.
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Old 12-09-2005, 03:09 PM   #18
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Son of a bitch! I KNEW we would find something in common! <laughing>

At my lightest as an adult (age 21) I weighted 105, and my normal mass would be about 120-125 without additional work to get lean mass higher (to my current mass of 142).

I think of the terms as simple descriptors of body mass composition.

You're probably technically correct in stating that both the mixed type of genetic body type, while I am speaking more to the phenotype (influences by lifestyle and environment).

I've seen some amazing transformation from what appeared to be a strict ecto to a solid mesomorph that took years to occur. One might expect that if the person stopped working out and reverted in eating habits, that gains might eventually disappear...back to the genetic body comp type.

I agree - the terminology isn't important...its what you do with your genetic and phenotypic potential that counts.
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Old 12-09-2005, 04:47 PM   #19
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I've seen some amazing transformation from what appeared to be a strict ecto to a solid mesomorph that took years to occur. One might expect that if the person stopped working out and reverted in eating habits, that gains might eventually disappear...back to the genetic body comp type.
Oohh, yeah. I have to fight for every ounce. Now when I was 105, which was due to various factors including health problems, the first 20 came very easily and probably weren't due to extraordinary efforts on my part other than eating well and proper and trying to channel those gains towards muscle. But it really seemed to be where my body wanted to be. I've always had some natural muscle (a thinner frame makes it apparent, but as you said, long legs and arms don't help). So, I really can't take much credit for the initial gains.

The next ten pounds required, well, lets just say more meticulous effort on my part. After that it has been an uphill battle all the way, but not without it's triumphs. Now at 175, if I stopped working out and reverted in eating habits...I don't want to guarantee...ok, I'll guarantee that my body would revert back to its genetic type and I think it would do it at breakneck speed.

I don't even know how long it would be possible to hold onto gains by eating alone. You could do for some time, but it would take near constant and I might say stress inducing attention to diet. But I don't think diet alone, even if you were near perfect, would do it. The disappearance of gains would be slower, possibly much slower, but they would come. This is only my theory. I'm not gonna try it and see what happens ;) .

Yeah, it's what you do with what you've got. But the terms can be very usefull in that they may help you understand things about yourself, and then plan accordingly. I like anything that helps me learn about myself - and so become stronger.

I'll have to quote Bruce Lee again: The ultimate knowledge is self knowledge.
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Old 12-09-2005, 05:26 PM   #20
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I stopped strength training and cardio for four months early this year due to onset of asthma (job induced, exercise made it worse). Holy shit...I can tell you that my body wasted NO time in reverting to type. I lost muscle quickly after the first two months of reduced exercise. What a mistake. I was able to regain muscle, but it took another six months to recover to the point I was at late last December (asthma started last October, perhaps catalyzed by a very heavy workload and a lot of time spent in a gym that just installed new carpeting and eye watering adhesives - the downside of solvent exposure in the lab).

Careful eating did little to hold back muscle mass deterioration once the last vestiges of former training had worn off. Despite use of muscle-sparing supps, body comp shifted exactly as one might expect it to...

With insulin sensitivity genetically predispositioned and stress layered on, it's easy for me to put on mass, but not the kind I want to add. The nice thing about having that extra insulin is that adding muscle, when the proper triggers are in place, isn't so difficult - I fact I learned the hard way with a recent spate of heavy squats and dead lifting.

Maintaining muscle mass in the absence of strength training is nearly impossible, despite dietary controls. So I've seen your theory in practice first hand, Eric.
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