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MMA discussion on Human Weapon Series, within the Bodybuilding Forum; Originally Posted by hrdgain81 Yeah the karate one was ok I guess, I caught it on sunday night on the ...


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Old 08-06-2007, 05:14 PM   #31
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Yeah the karate one was ok I guess, I caught it on sunday night on the replay. The full contact match at the end was kinda weak, i have a feeling the black belt was taking it easy on him, even after getting punched in the face.
I find it very ironic that these guys train so hard to become top notch fighters, what with the "iron body training" and so forth, then step into a fighting match and can only hit someone in the chest/stomache area. I personally wouldn't want to fight someone of that caliber in a street fight, but if I trained as hard as they did and wasn't allowed to actually use some of my techniques in a fight, I would feel like a caged lion. I wouldn't mind allowing hits to the face if I were to train the same way they do because I would train to defend myself there. It wouldn't be too difficult to train for a few months for a 3 minute round + 1 minute overtime with a karate blackbelt if I had the same MMA background as the hosts of the show. I'll bet $100.00 I could last just as long as the host if there weren't any shots to the face. Anyone else out there who's kind of annoyed at how much restriction there is in sanctioned fights for some of these fighting styles? UFC is probably the best in terms of rules IMO because it's as close to a no-holds barred fight as you can safely get. woohoo, go Tito!

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Old 08-06-2007, 05:21 PM   #32
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Yeah its kind of frusterating to have to go from watching Ultimate Fighting to watching the restricted fighting on that show, but I have a lot of respect for it because they arent fighting mix martial arts. They are just fighting in that one discipline and there is so much history involved in it and traditions. Plus some of those moves were lethal and I doubt their organized matches would last very long if the fighters were doing that crazy palm to the heart punch shit in each fight!

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Old 08-06-2007, 05:26 PM   #33
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I'm still saving these up to watch later so I don't know what's wen't on. But I suspect that as far as the host's go there are insurance issues at work. If these guys get damaged who do you think has to pay the hospital bills? I don't know but it probably has a lot to do with what the production insurances will allow versus what the hosts can and cannot handle. It's still just a TV show, after all.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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I'm still saving these up to watch later so I don't know what's wen't on. But I suspect that as far as the host's go there are insurance issues at work. If these guys get damaged who do you think has to pay the hospital bills? I don't know but it probably has a lot to do with what the production insurances will allow versus what the hosts can and cannot handle. It's still just a TV show, after all.
What? I thought the T.V. producers send in clones of the hosts to do the actual fights.

On another note: the one martial art that would have been a great addition to the show IMO is to delve into the martial art form of Capoeira. It's incredibly interesting and unique in that it's not a linear style of fighting.

Just my two cents

Overall, though, the show is great! (no spoiler) The way the show goes into the history of the martial art form from a style meant for the battlefield to how it's used in modern day is very History/Discovery Channel like. Love it!
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Old 08-07-2007, 05:33 AM   #35
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Dude I'm just making a point that it's a TV show so not to expect a blood bath. I don't know what the point of your smart response was. You can agree or disagree but rude sarcasm isn't really called for.

No doubt it's a good show.
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dude, chill out. sarcasm is me trying to add a little humour, but apparently there's too much of an age difference here between you and me for that (no sarcasm)

I wasn't attacking you, I was making a ridiculous comment that has nothing to do with attacking you personally.
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Well it must not have been funny. I'll read it again when I'm older
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So I'm the old man now? haha
thanks a lot

You're definitely going to enjoy the show overall. There's so much history involved (enter: History Channel) and it's well produced.
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I find it very ironic that these guys train so hard to become top notch fighters, what with the "iron body training" and so forth, then step into a fighting match and can only hit someone in the chest/stomache area. I personally wouldn't want to fight someone of that caliber in a street fight, but if I trained as hard as they did and wasn't allowed to actually use some of my techniques in a fight, I would feel like a caged lion. I wouldn't mind allowing hits to the face if I were to train the same way they do because I would train to defend myself there. It wouldn't be too difficult to train for a few months for a 3 minute round + 1 minute overtime with a karate blackbelt if I had the same MMA background as the hosts of the show. I'll bet $100.00 I could last just as long as the host if there weren't any shots to the face. Anyone else out there who's kind of annoyed at how much restriction there is in sanctioned fights for some of these fighting styles? UFC is probably the best in terms of rules IMO because it's as close to a no-holds barred fight as you can safely get. woohoo, go Tito!
I cant agree with all of that, I dont know what your fighting background is, but I would take the 100 dollar bet that a 200+ lb kyoshin ni-dan would have his way with you. Not trying to be a dick, just trying to put this in perspective. And only one of the hosts has an MMA background, the bald dude was a football player. And UFC is actually pretty far from no-holds-barred, its sanctioned by the states athletic commision, there a lot of "illegal" things in UFC also.

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I find it very ironic that these guys train so hard to become top notch fighters, what with the "iron body training" and so forth, then step into a fighting match and can only hit someone in the chest/stomache area. I personally wouldn't want to fight someone of that caliber in a street fight, but if I trained as hard as they did and wasn't allowed to actually use some of my techniques in a fight, I would feel like a caged lion. I wouldn't mind allowing hits to the face if I were to train the same way they do because I would train to defend myself there. It wouldn't be too difficult to train for a few months for a 3 minute round + 1 minute overtime with a karate blackbelt if I had the same MMA background as the hosts of the show. I'll bet $100.00 I could last just as long as the host if there weren't any shots to the face. Anyone else out there who's kind of annoyed at how much restriction there is in sanctioned fights for some of these fighting styles? UFC is probably the best in terms of rules IMO because it's as close to a no-holds barred fight as you can safely get. woohoo, go Tito!

you are comparing apples and oranges. Traditional martial arts is different then MMA in the fact that a lot of MMA students do not train for the spiritual aspect and traditional martial arts train to defend and take out advisories in real life. Also, if you train for a specific type of fighting then you allow certain defenses to not be trained, example, old Pride fighting had no elbows but you could stomp a person on the ground, UFC the opposite. So they train differently to prepare for that type of fighting. I'm sure if they allowed punching to the head in the karate matches they would train differently. It's all about what you train for. "Product of your environment."

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