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hrdgain81 · 02-26-2008, 01:31 PM

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Carbs are bad is getting absolutely ridiculous.

It sure has, and I will be the first to say I was part of the problem also. You really can drop amazing amounts of fat using a keto based diet. But you really need to look at long term effects.

I must have done 5-10 ckd's, and ud2 (for a very short time), and I was able to drop decent amounts of fat. But what happens when you begin to introduce carbs back in? Your body is not used to the carbs, even if your carbing up once a week (which is always accompanied by a depleation workout). So you begin to work carbs back in, and guess what ... your body starts to store fat all over again.

I know that was a bit off topic, but I needed to rant on that for a second.

Edit: Eric I'll have to read through that when I have some more time, looks interesting, ckd vs tkd should be a fun read.

Eric3237 · 02-26-2008, 01:32 PM

It's no different than most of the commercial diets used by everyday people in that respect.

I find roundtable very useful. I'm looking for more.

Eric3237 · 02-27-2008, 12:27 PM

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1 cup of apple averages 13g of fructose, which in the grand picture is very little.

14 grams of FRUCTOSE?

1 CUP APPLE with peel….
Total Carbohydrate 17.3 g 6%
Dietary Fiber 3.0 g 12%
Starch 0.1 g
Sugars 13.0 g
Sucrose 2588 mg
Glucose 3038 mg
Fructose 7375 mg
Lactose 0.0 mg
Maltose 0.0 mg
Galactose 0.0 mg

Surcrose is part fructose and then with the free fructose we can probably safely round it up to ONE gram of fructose in a cup of apple on average.

Edit* Sorry, lol. As usual I was thinking about too many things at once. about 8 grams fructose.

hrdgain81 · 02-27-2008, 12:33 PM

I was apparently under the WRONG impression that the bulk of the carbs located within fruits was fructose. Thats what my statement was based on, nice catch eric.

Eric3237 · 02-27-2008, 12:42 PM

I understand...that is what is leading to this whole fruit bashing thing...people thinking that fruit is all fructose but really no "sugar" is all fructose or all one thing. That's actually one reason, besides fiber content, that some fruits have a higher GI...they contain more dextrose than lower or medium GI fruits. Grapes for instance.

The sucrose part should be about 50% each fructose and glucose, btw, so that really is only about 1250 mgs fructose...it's not even a whole gram really but some apples are sweeter so you figure a gram for a cup should be close enough.

BTW, something I wanted to point out to everyone. I've mentioned table sugar (surcrose) a few times and so have the articles. There's really, as far as I know, not much of a difference between the fructose content of HFCS and sucrose table sugar on average. Some HFCS may contain a bit more fructose (different kinds for different things)...up to 55%. But some contains 50% just like sucrose. High fructose corn syrup just means higher than regular not that it's actually higher than regular old sugar. The reason they make HFCS is because it is sweeter because of the fructose content but CHEAPER than sucrose sugar. SO: don't think regular table sugar is somehow better than HFCS.

BTW, for all the GI nazi's: Apples have a GI of around 38, right? Well that means that enough apple to EQUAL 50 grams of carbohydrate makes a GI of 38. Which is pretty LOW. BUT as you can see...a cup of apples has only about 14 total grams of carbs. That's about 125 grams of total apple so the glycemic LOAD of that is only around SIX. Apply this to other fruits and CHILL OUT!

TALO · 02-27-2008, 12:54 PM

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1 CUP APPLE with peel….
Total Carbohydrate 17.3 g 6%
Dietary Fiber 3.0 g 12%
Starch 0.1 g
Sugars 13.0 g
Sucrose 2588 mg
Glucose 3038 mg
Fructose 7375 mg
Lactose 0.0 mg
Maltose 0.0 mg
Galactose 0.0 mg

Surcrose is part fructose and then with the free fructose we can probably safely round it up to ONE gram of fructose in a cup of apple on average.

Isin't 1g = 1000mg ? Wouldn't that be 13g of sugar with the break down of Sucrose 2588 mg Glucose 3038 mg Fructose 7375 mg

Eric3237 · 02-27-2008, 12:57 PM

Oh yeah. LOL. I don't know where I got one gram. So say about 8 grams. Still a lot less. Thanks, TALO. I need to slow down. BTW, what is the fructose amount in grams of about a tablespoon sugar or HFCS? I guess it's about the same as sucrose...a tsp of sugar contains 2 grams of fructose.

TALO · 02-27-2008, 01:03 PM

Isin't it Pure sucrose ?

Eric3237 · 02-27-2008, 01:11 PM

I don't know. I don't think it matters much. A tablespoon of HFCS is about 5 grams carbs so roughly half of that is fructose. I'm just tyring to illustrate how much more fructose we are talking per small amount with processed sugars.

TALO · 02-27-2008, 01:15 PM

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Something I found

02-26-2008, 01:32 PM	#32 (permalink)
Eric3237 Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,216 Country: Gender:	It's no different than most of the commercial diets used by everyday people in that respect. I find roundtable very useful. I'm looking for more.
	Eric3237's Sig:To go from the general to the specific is a very good idea. But to go from the specific to the general; that's just confusing.

02-27-2008, 12:33 PM	#34 (permalink)
hrdgain81 Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,515	I was apparently under the WRONG impression that the bulk of the carbs located within fruits was fructose. Thats what my statement was based on, nice catch eric.
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02-27-2008, 12:42 PM	#35 (permalink)
Eric3237 Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,216 Country: Gender:	I understand...that is what is leading to this whole fruit bashing thing...people thinking that fruit is all fructose but really no "sugar" is all fructose or all one thing. That's actually one reason, besides fiber content, that some fruits have a higher GI...they contain more dextrose than lower or medium GI fruits. Grapes for instance. The sucrose part should be about 50% each fructose and glucose, btw, so that really is only about 1250 mgs fructose...it's not even a whole gram really but some apples are sweeter so you figure a gram for a cup should be close enough. BTW, something I wanted to point out to everyone. I've mentioned table sugar (surcrose) a few times and so have the articles. There's really, as far as I know, not much of a difference between the fructose content of HFCS and sucrose table sugar on average. Some HFCS may contain a bit more fructose (different kinds for different things)...up to 55%. But some contains 50% just like sucrose. High fructose corn syrup just means higher than regular not that it's actually higher than regular old sugar. The reason they make HFCS is because it is sweeter because of the fructose content but CHEAPER than sucrose sugar. SO: don't think regular table sugar is somehow better than HFCS. BTW, for all the GI nazi's: Apples have a GI of around 38, right? Well that means that enough apple to EQUAL 50 grams of carbohydrate makes a GI of 38. Which is pretty LOW. BUT as you can see...a cup of apples has only about 14 total grams of carbs. That's about 125 grams of total apple so the glycemic LOAD of that is only around SIX. Apply this to other fruits and CHILL OUT!
	Eric3237's Sig:To go from the general to the specific is a very good idea. But to go from the specific to the general; that's just confusing.

02-27-2008, 12:57 PM	#37 (permalink)
Eric3237 Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,216 Country: Gender:	Oh yeah. LOL. I don't know where I got one gram. So say about 8 grams. Still a lot less. Thanks, TALO. I need to slow down. BTW, what is the fructose amount in grams of about a tablespoon sugar or HFCS? I guess it's about the same as sucrose...a tsp of sugar contains 2 grams of fructose.
	Eric3237's Sig:To go from the general to the specific is a very good idea. But to go from the specific to the general; that's just confusing.

02-27-2008, 01:03 PM	#38 (permalink)
TALO Rank: Lightweight Experience: 10+ Years Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,777 Country: Gender:	Isin't it Pure sucrose ?
	TALO's Sig:"But when do you actually grow? Well, we don't grow in the gym. In the gym, we destroy. We tear down the body. We only grow when we are recovering. That's right, I said recovery. I see it all the time--people beating themselves up in the gym and not seeing results. They don't understand that hitting the weights hard is only a small part of growing or even cutting down. I could train the same all year round and get big or get ripped just by eating different and taking different supplements"

02-27-2008, 01:11 PM	#39 (permalink)
Eric3237 Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,216 Country: Gender:	I don't know. I don't think it matters much. A tablespoon of HFCS is about 5 grams carbs so roughly half of that is fructose. I'm just tyring to illustrate how much more fructose we are talking per small amount with processed sugars.
	Eric3237's Sig:To go from the general to the specific is a very good idea. But to go from the specific to the general; that's just confusing.

02-27-2008, 01:15 PM	#40 (permalink)
TALO Rank: Lightweight Experience: 10+ Years Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,777 Country: Gender:	sugar.gif Something I found
	TALO's Sig:"But when do you actually grow? Well, we don't grow in the gym. In the gym, we destroy. We tear down the body. We only grow when we are recovering. That's right, I said recovery. I see it all the time--people beating themselves up in the gym and not seeing results. They don't understand that hitting the weights hard is only a small part of growing or even cutting down. I could train the same all year round and get big or get ripped just by eating different and taking different supplements"

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