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Chuck Norris · 02-23-2006, 10:42 AM

Hey guys, need some help here. I've been bulking for the past few months and recently I've noticed I've been extremely tired in the morning. I'm asleep by 10:30 at night and up at 6. I only train 3 days a weeks mon/wed/sat. for slightly over an hour including cardio. I did change my diet alittle from the one I posted a few moths back. I'll repost it now.

Let me know what you think

7:00 2 cups oatmeal/ 1 cup skim milk
2 scoops whey

9:00 6 egg whites
1 banana

11:30 1.5 Chcken breast
1 cup brocoli

1:00 2 Natty pb and jelly sandwhichs on whole wheat

3:30 1.5 Chicken breast
1 cup brocoli

5:30 Lean ground sirloin
1 cup corn
1 scoop whey

6:30 pwo
2 scoop whey/ malto/dext mix

8:30 6 egg whites
1 apple

10:00 1 cup cottage cheese/ or casien protien

I was thinking maybe my protein intake was alittle high. I know it's alot of meals but I added more because I'm to the point where I eat and I hungary shortly after. Let me know what you guys think, thanks

stats
26/187lbs 5"8

ChinPieceDave667 · 02-23-2006, 12:38 PM

if your bulking you don't have nearly enough carbs. I see some. 1 cup of corn is not enough for pre workout meal. If anything I would have your 1:00 meal with some whey before your workout rather than in the middle of the day, the bread for 2 PBJs should be at least 50-60 grams of carbs. How many grams of carbs do you eat?

Chuck Norris · 02-23-2006, 01:07 PM

How about I add 2 cups brown rice instead of the corn

Chuck Norris · 02-23-2006, 01:08 PM

So the lack of carbs is probably it them huh

Eric3237 · 02-23-2006, 03:56 PM

Besides more carbs I would say you could optimize your workout recovery by redesigning your pre/post workout meals.

If I'm reading this right you are having ground sirloin, corn, and whey then working out, and having your pwo shake all within an hour.

So, definitely need more carbs pre workout. Also, much of that meal is probably still going to be hanging out in your stomach post workout. Your not going to be utilizing a great deal of it and therefore its not going to do what a pre workout meal is supposed to do (based on what we know now).

Also, if you end your workout with food still in your stomach, that's just going to slow down the absorption of your pwo shake, when you want fast absoption and an insulin spike to shuttle the aminos and carbs to your muscles as quickly as possible. (I know you know this I'm just speaking of things that can interfere with it).

The pbj's preworkout would be better but I still think protein pre workout is important also (with whey, as per Dave), and quite frankly I don't think a solid meal is optimal at all. It would be better to take some of the carbs and whey from your post and use it pre. This is more likely to refuel your muscles to the utmost possible within the window potentiated by your workout.

I don't know if any of that is going to make you feel better in the mornings, but it ain't gonna hurt.

Also, any healthy fats in your diet. EFA's?

Eric3237 · 02-23-2006, 04:00 PM

BTW, I always feel like shit in the morning. Especially before I have coffee.

ChinPieceDave667 · 02-23-2006, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric3237

Besides more carbs I would say you could optimize your workout recovery by redesigning your pre/post workout meals.

That's what I meant

Chuck Norris · 02-24-2006, 08:58 AM

I'll added some fish oil tabs in a couple times a day, ran out a while ago and havent picked any up.

So correct me if I get this wrong, you think I should just switch my dinner to pwo and take the shake pre. let me know thanks guys

Eric3237 · 02-24-2006, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck

you think I should just switch my dinner to pwo and take the shake pre. let me know thanks guys

No. Definitely keep to a shake for immediately post workout. Ideally, wait around 45 minutes to an hour for your solid meal. So in other words, I'm talking about a shake pre and post. Then you solid meal around 45 minutes after that.

If you don't want to do that then go with Dave's original suggestion of having you pbj's with some whey for pre workout, and keeping the shake for post.

Chuck Norris · 02-24-2006, 04:12 PM

ok got ya, I'll try it out.

02-23-2006, 10:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
Chuck Norris Rank: Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas..where else? Posts: 140 Country: Gender:	Need some help..... Hey guys, need some help here. I've been bulking for the past few months and recently I've noticed I've been extremely tired in the morning. I'm asleep by 10:30 at night and up at 6. I only train 3 days a weeks mon/wed/sat. for slightly over an hour including cardio. I did change my diet alittle from the one I posted a few moths back. I'll repost it now. Let me know what you think 7:00 2 cups oatmeal/ 1 cup skim milk 2 scoops whey 9:00 6 egg whites 1 banana 11:30 1.5 Chcken breast 1 cup brocoli 1:00 2 Natty pb and jelly sandwhichs on whole wheat 3:30 1.5 Chicken breast 1 cup brocoli 5:30 Lean ground sirloin 1 cup corn 1 scoop whey 6:30 pwo 2 scoop whey/ malto/dext mix 8:30 6 egg whites 1 apple 10:00 1 cup cottage cheese/ or casien protien I was thinking maybe my protein intake was alittle high. I know it's alot of meals but I added more because I'm to the point where I eat and I hungary shortly after. Let me know what you guys think, thanks stats 26/187lbs 5"8
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02-23-2006, 12:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
ChinPieceDave667 Rank: Middleweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: 7th layer.. or DC. Posts: 2,153 Country: Gender:	if your bulking you don't have nearly enough carbs. I see some. 1 cup of corn is not enough for pre workout meal. If anything I would have your 1:00 meal with some whey before your workout rather than in the middle of the day, the bread for 2 PBJs should be at least 50-60 grams of carbs. How many grams of carbs do you eat?
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02-23-2006, 01:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
Chuck Norris Rank: Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas..where else? Posts: 140 Country: Gender:	How about I add 2 cups brown rice instead of the corn
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02-23-2006, 01:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
Chuck Norris Rank: Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas..where else? Posts: 140 Country: Gender:	So the lack of carbs is probably it them huh
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02-23-2006, 03:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
Eric3237 Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,443 Country: Gender:	Besides more carbs I would say you could optimize your workout recovery by redesigning your pre/post workout meals. If I'm reading this right you are having ground sirloin, corn, and whey then working out, and having your pwo shake all within an hour. So, definitely need more carbs pre workout. Also, much of that meal is probably still going to be hanging out in your stomach post workout. Your not going to be utilizing a great deal of it and therefore its not going to do what a pre workout meal is supposed to do (based on what we know now). Also, if you end your workout with food still in your stomach, that's just going to slow down the absorption of your pwo shake, when you want fast absoption and an insulin spike to shuttle the aminos and carbs to your muscles as quickly as possible. (I know you know this I'm just speaking of things that can interfere with it). The pbj's preworkout would be better but I still think protein pre workout is important also (with whey, as per Dave), and quite frankly I don't think a solid meal is optimal at all. It would be better to take some of the carbs and whey from your post and use it pre. This is more likely to refuel your muscles to the utmost possible within the window potentiated by your workout. I don't know if any of that is going to make you feel better in the mornings, but it ain't gonna hurt. Also, any healthy fats in your diet. EFA's? Last edited by Eric3237; 02-24-2006 at 05:09 PM.
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02-23-2006, 04:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
Eric3237 Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,443 Country: Gender:	BTW, I always feel like shit in the morning. Especially before I have coffee.
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02-24-2006, 08:58 AM	#8 (permalink)
Chuck Norris Rank: Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas..where else? Posts: 140 Country: Gender:	I'll added some fish oil tabs in a couple times a day, ran out a while ago and havent picked any up. So correct me if I get this wrong, you think I should just switch my dinner to pwo and take the shake pre. let me know thanks guys
	Chuck Norris's Sig:"Chuck Norris's girlfriend once asked him how much wood a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood. He then shouted, "HOW DARE YOU RHYME IN THE PRESENCE OF CHUCK NORRIS!" and ripped out her throat. Holding his girlfriend's bloody throat in his hand he bellowed, "Don't fuck with Chuck!" Two years and five months later he realized the irony of this statement and laughed so hard that anyone within a hundred mile radius of the blast went deaf"

02-24-2006, 04:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
Chuck Norris Rank: Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas..where else? Posts: 140 Country: Gender:	ok got ya, I'll try it out.
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