Point of diminishing returns (Protein) - Bodybuilding Discussion on Bodybuilding.net Nutrition Forum

BG5150 · 06-19-2005, 07:13 PM

It seems like the prevalent theory is more protein = more mass. Common relations seem to say at least 1g protein per # of body weight (bw) to 1.5g per # of bw. I've seen people suggesting 2g per bw for big growth.

What is the point of dimishing returns on this curve? If it's 1g. No, 1.5g. No, 2g. Why not 2.5g? Or 3g? Why not 10? I'd be huge! Where does the curve start to dip significantly?

Linebacker01 · 06-19-2005, 07:17 PM

Well Honestly That Theory dont sound stupid at all,but it will not all be muscle mass. 10g x lets say 235= 1350... That a big Whoa...

Also that cant be great for the liver...

BG5150 · 06-19-2005, 07:20 PM

So where is the point of diminishing returns? Simple economics...biologically speaking.

apocalypse · 06-19-2005, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Linebacker01

Well Honestly That Theory dont sound stupid at all,but it will not all be muscle mass. 10g x lets say 235= 1350... That a big Whoa...

Also that cant be great for the liver...

Ur math is messed up, it should be 2350grams. Brad, instead of forming a hypothesis about the point of diminishing return for protein intake, why not go do what works for u the best? Have u ever considered the fart/protein intake correlation?

apocalypse · 06-19-2005, 11:37 PM

I wont take any more than 2 grams per pound of lean mass unless I am on 50cc sauce per week.

Darkhorse · 06-19-2005, 11:55 PM

I think the standard for elite weightlifters is twice their bodyweight. I really don't see myself even fitting in more than 500 grams in a day. I tried to find some research on this and came up empty. I think this is because everyone tries to ingest as much as their body allows. Some people can't hack alot of protein like Hardgain81. Others like myself can take in around 400 grams with a smile on my face. Personally, I think alot of outside factors come into play such as 'eating your blood type'.

To clear up the eating your blood type, I'll provide an explanation I found:

"Each blood type has different characteristics that allow it to eat, digest, and assimilate food best for that group. Since Os have been blessed with such strong stomach acid and respective enzymes, they are able to metabolize almost everything, even those foods not recommended for them. However, the Bs, As and ABs do not have this luxury, and accordingly, must be more careful in their eating habits, or suffer the consequences.

The Os are like sharks. They can eat tin cans and rubber tires, and wash it down with hard liquor while smoking a cigarette. Of course, this is not true, but a dramatic exaggeration."

WantingMuscle7 · 06-20-2005, 03:25 AM

:( O's are the rarest idk what I am but its not O. Also how long is a serving called say you take a 35g shake in an hour would it be processed so you can take another? 500 grams a day would be like atleast 10 protien shakes im leaving 150 for the food.

Darkhorse · 06-20-2005, 03:50 AM

I try and keep my protein shakes to pre/postworkout and bed. The rest is food (red meat) LOTS of money!

WantingMuscle7 · 06-20-2005, 12:30 PM

Thats alot of food

my parents would be mad at me if I started eating all the red meat in the house.

verbatimreturned · 06-20-2005, 01:55 PM

yea thats what happened to me my parents bought a whole bunch of roasted beef one weekend and i ate it all...they werent to happy about it

06-19-2005, 07:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
BG5150 Rank: Bantamweight Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 859 Country: Gender:	Point of diminishing returns (Protein) It seems like the prevalent theory is more protein = more mass. Common relations seem to say at least 1g protein per # of body weight (bw) to 1.5g per # of bw. I've seen people suggesting 2g per bw for big growth. What is the point of dimishing returns on this curve? If it's 1g. No, 1.5g. No, 2g. Why not 2.5g? Or 3g? Why not 10? I'd be huge! Where does the curve start to dip significantly?
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06-19-2005, 07:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
BG5150 Rank: Bantamweight Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 859 Country: Gender:	So where is the point of diminishing returns? Simple economics...biologically speaking.
	BG5150's Sig:There are no stupid questions, just stupid people. Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left. Are you eating while you are reading this? You should be... --hrdgain81 Remember, kids, if you type well the Grammar Fairy will leave a quarter under your pillow. The Blue Book of Grammar and Punctuation Well, the Blog's (finally) back (again!): Love and Hope and Sex and Dreams Here is my newly-created World of Warcraft Blog: BG's WoW Blog. Feel free to stop by and comment.

06-19-2005, 11:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
Darkhorse Moderator Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,801 Country: Gender:	I think the standard for elite weightlifters is twice their bodyweight. I really don't see myself even fitting in more than 500 grams in a day. I tried to find some research on this and came up empty. I think this is because everyone tries to ingest as much as their body allows. Some people can't hack alot of protein like Hardgain81. Others like myself can take in around 400 grams with a smile on my face. Personally, I think alot of outside factors come into play such as 'eating your blood type'. To clear up the eating your blood type, I'll provide an explanation I found: "Each blood type has different characteristics that allow it to eat, digest, and assimilate food best for that group. Since Os have been blessed with such strong stomach acid and respective enzymes, they are able to metabolize almost everything, even those foods not recommended for them. However, the Bs, As and ABs do not have this luxury, and accordingly, must be more careful in their eating habits, or suffer the consequences. The Os are like sharks. They can eat tin cans and rubber tires, and wash it down with hard liquor while smoking a cigarette. Of course, this is not true, but a dramatic exaggeration."
	Darkhorse's Sig:Currently in perpetual madness....

06-20-2005, 03:50 AM	#8 (permalink)
Darkhorse Moderator Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,801 Country: Gender:	I try and keep my protein shakes to pre/postworkout and bed. The rest is food (red meat) LOTS of money!
	Darkhorse's Sig:Currently in perpetual madness....

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06-19-2005, 07:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
Linebacker01 Rank: Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 68	Well Honestly That Theory dont sound stupid at all,but it will not all be muscle mass. 10g x lets say 235= 1350... That a big Whoa... Also that cant be great for the liver...

06-19-2005, 11:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
apocalypse Rank: Bantamweight Experience: 10+ Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 925 Country: Gender:	I wont take any more than 2 grams per pound of lean mass unless I am on 50cc sauce per week.

06-20-2005, 03:25 AM	#7 (permalink)
WantingMuscle7 Rank: Bantamweight Experience: 1-2 Years Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PA Posts: 707 Country:	:( O's are the rarest idk what I am but its not O. Also how long is a serving called say you take a 35g shake in an hour would it be processed so you can take another? 500 grams a day would be like atleast 10 protien shakes im leaving 150 for the food.

06-20-2005, 12:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
WantingMuscle7 Rank: Bantamweight Experience: 1-2 Years Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PA Posts: 707 Country:	Thats alot of food my parents would be mad at me if I started eating all the red meat in the house.

06-20-2005, 01:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
verbatimreturned Rank: Lightweight Experience: 2-3 Years Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: new york Posts: 1,422 Country: Gender:	yea thats what happened to me my parents bought a whole bunch of roasted beef one weekend and i ate it all...they werent to happy about it

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