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Old 02-25-2006, 06:50 AM   #11
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now you’re going to tell me that doing your workout and only taking in 10500 cals a week your not going to loose muscle?
Dave, this is not what I ment by this post at all. I know i'm going to lose muscle, and that shit sucks. this is far from an ideal situation, but I'm gonna do the best I can to lose as little as possible.

As for eating durring the breaks I was thinking the same thing. And i've tried in the past ... but we get a 10 min break, i barely have time to piss and chug down 3 scoops of xtend before I have to run back to my seat, trust me it sucks. and the worst part is after throwing back 24oz of water/xtend, i need to piss like 30min later, and i'm stuck in the court room for hours like that. Its even worse when i gotta shit, protien shits i dont think i could handle ... thats just disaster waiting to happen.

I havent lifted/ran in two weeks, i've been so exhausted from trial prep and the first week of trial. I will start again monday on an upper lower split, lifting 4 days a week.

its wierd, you would think with all this added stress, and the low calorie intake I would be starving at night, but its like i have to force myself to eat. its kinda bugging me out. I will attempt to up my cals next week, i'll add in extra cottage cheese/chick/tuna/ect when i can, but I'm gonna keep the carbs the same. the low carb count doesnt seem to be effecting me at all.

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Old 02-25-2006, 08:27 AM   #12
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None of this makes sense.

Starvation is the *last* thing you want to do before a cycle.

You must operate at least on maintenance calorie intake. Deficit is going to deplete all of your residual liver and muscle glycogen stores.

The stress has depressed your appetite. Now courts takes breaks, even if they are short. You need prepared food to take in with you that you can quickly eat when court is on break. Taking extend - and any creatine, if you're using it right now while not working out, is going to turn off fat burning.

A lovely paper, a little sleeper, appeared in the literature in 2001, which demonstrated that creatine, when used during rest breaks, seemed to conserve fat, even when calories were reduced.

The mystery wasn't solved until a review article was published in 2004, when one of the authors finally determined that a redox couple involving creatine wasn't present in liver and muscle. This caused a shift in pH via a rather tricky set of reactions, which shut off fatty acid metabolism and caused cells to rely on glycogen and glucose instead. Its corrected by taking NAC during the day to scavenge the protons released that make cellular pH plunge and results in Ca+2 channel blockade of fatty acid and ion transport. Fat cell metabolism goes into storage mode.

Problem is, Matt, you're not the most efficient carb burner.
That Dicana is going to come back and bite you in the ass as well.

What you need to do is to up your calories, aiming for slow release whole carbs, whole proteins would preferable here as well, but in the bind your in (low hours in court - the suggestion that you try protein isn't a bad one - except that whey, casein and soy have recently been shown to be insulinogenic, meaning that they incite production and release of insulin - not good if you're not getting aerobic exercise. I would suggest you find an meal replacement shake of mixed carbs (Probolic SR might work, its slow release), put it in a water bottle and sip on it, as inconspicuously as possible, between breaks. Explain your situation (attorney) to the court if necessary, that you need to eat every two hours due to reactive hypoglycemia.

You need to have mental sharpness for this court situation. You've got your priorities skeedaddled here, if you expect to be fit to take on a cycle afterwards.

That would be ill-advised, going into a cycle after a protracted period of high stress and inactivity, eh?

Right now, you have more on the your plate than you can typically handle. You need to eat to sustain your immune and mental capacity (due to stress), your supps should include idebenone, a form of brain coenzyme Q10, ALCAR, vitamin C, moderate quanitities of vitamin E, a good multivit/multimineral - and one more, sam-e. Not only will this help with stress, this sam-e, but it will kickstart, when combined with selenomethionine and DHA, thyroid function - which you have inadvertantly damaged by impairing liver lipid metabolism from previous, ahh, chemical use. If you must use creatine based supps, add NAC in small doses, 2-3 times per day to keep creatine from shutting off fatty acid metabolism and switching on fatty acid synthesis and storage.

When liver isn't working well, both adrenals and thyroid function slips, and this is hastened by prolonged acute stress. You're on the cusp of acute stress here - metabolic and mental. Be very careful. Shutting down thyroid - causing thyroid resistance, which has, I believe occured in you, will also lead to impaired adrenal function. Eventually, even ECAs and other stimulants will fail to work. You can think homeostasis states as being something of a domino effect. Start the cascade, and you slide through these setpoint regulatory nodes, one after the other, over th course of months to years.

Eventually, you have hypogonadal state, thyroid hormone receptor resistance, norepinephrine receptor hypersensitivity and adrenal fatigue (which is really again, a sort of receptor insensitivity.

You are left with a state of very poor cellullar energetics, depression, hypoglycemia, and insulin resistance. VAT, the worst kind of fat, skyrockets, made worse, not better, by calorie restriction.

You will not like what I am saying here, because you have attained the point where you must chemically nudge your systems to function.

I urge you to reconsider your game plan for this upcoming six weeks of hell, as you put it, and your pending cycle.

Attend to your body, to the business at hand, to stress management, and to fostering a more productive and healthy situation for your bodybuilding efforts later on.

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trouble's idea seems very logical...

but i'll tell you what... i don know if i should wear this on my sleave or not, but i've recently lost 2.5 kgs in 5 days.. i was sick... BUT, i have also lost 5 kgs in 3 weeks without being sick...

i don remember how i exactly did that, because i did it in october and i cant remember what i ate... but i do know what i did do, i din eat any junk food... yes, me, no junk food for 3 weeks...

also, why dont you check out this diet:

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General Motors: Weight Loss Diet Program

The following diet and health program was developed for employees and dependents of General Motors, Inc. and is intended for their exclusive use. This program was developed in conjunction with a grant from U.S. Department of Agriculture and the Food and Drug Administration. It was field tested at the Johns Hopkins Research Centre and was approved for distribution by the Board of Directors, General Motors Corp. at a general meeting on August 15, 1985. General Motors Corp. wholly endorses this program and is making it available to all employees and families. This program will be available at all General Motors Food Service Facilities. It is management's intention to facilitate a wellness and fitness program for everyone.

This program is designed for a target weight loss of 10-17 lbs per week. It will also improve your attitudes and emotions because of its cleansing systematic effects.

The effectiveness of this seven day plan is that the food eaten burn more calories than they give to the body in caloric value.

This plan can be used as often as you like without any fear of complications. It is designed to flush your system of impurities and give you a feeling of well being. After seven days you will begin to feel lighter because you will be lighter by at least 10 lbs. You will have an abundance of energy and an improved disposition.

During the first seven days you must abstain from all alcohol
You must drink 10 glasses of water each day

Day One All fruits except bananas. Your first day will consist of all the fruits you want. It is strongly suggested that you consume lots of melons the first day. Especially watermelon and a loupe. If you limit your fruit consumption to melons, your chances of losing three lbs. on first day are very good.

Day Two All vegetables. You are encouraged to eat until you are stuffed with all the raw or cooked vegetables of your choice. There is no limit on the amount or type. For your complex carbohydrate, you will start day two with a large baked potato for breakfast. You may top the potato with one pat of butter.

Day Three A mixture of fruits and vegetables of your choice. Any amount, any quantity. No bananas yet. No potatoes today.

Day Four Bananas and milk. Today you will eat as many as eight bananas and drink three glasses of milk. This will be combined with the special soup which may be eaten in limited quantities.

Day Five Today is feast day. You will eat beef and tomatoes. Eat two 10 oz. portions of lean beef. Hamburger is OK. Combine this with six whole tomatoes. On day five you must increase your water intake by one quart. This is to cleanse your system of the uric acid you will be producing.

Day Six Beef and vegetables. Today you may eat an unlimited amount of beef and vegetables. Eat to your hearts content.

Day Seven Today your food intake will consist of brown rice, fruit juices and all the vegetables you care to consume.

Tomorrow morning you will be 10-17 lbs. lighter than one week ago. If you desire further weight loss, repeat the program again. You may repeat this program as often as you like, however, it is suggested that you are allowed two glasses of white wine in addition to the instructions on the program. You may substitute champagne for white wine. Under no circumstances are you to drink any other alcoholic beverages with the exception of beer which is allowed. Any liquor (bourbon,vodka, rum) is forbidden. Cream drinks are especially forbidden. You may have an occasional cordial such as creme de menthe or schnapps, but you must always limit yourself to two drinks. If you wine, drink only wine that day. If you have beer, drink only beer that day, etc. Alcohol adds empty calories to your diet. However, after the first week it will help your digestion and settle your stomach.

G.M.'S Wonder Soup

The following soup is intended as a supplement to your diet. It can be eaten any time of the day in virtually unlimited quantities. You are encouraged to consume large quantities of this soup.

28 oz, Water, 6 Large Onions, 2 Green Peppers, Whole Tomatoes (fresh or canned), 1 Head Cabbage, 1 Bunch Celery, 4 Envelopes Lipton Onion Soup Mix, Herbs and Flavouring as desired.

Additional Comments

Vegetables as may be taken in the form of a salad if desired. No dressing except malt, white or wine vinegar, squeezed lemon, garlic, herbs. No more than one tea spoon of oil.

You have been given a recipe for the WONDER SOUP which can be eaten in unlimited quantities. This soup is a supplement while you are on the program and it should be a pleasure to eat. Not everyone likes cabbage, green peppers, calory etc. This recipe is not inflexible. You may substitute vegetables according to your taste. You may add any vegetables you like: asparagus, peas, corn, turnips, green beans, cauliflower, etc. Try to stay away from beans (lima, pinto, kidney, etc.), however, because they tend to be high in calories even though they are very good for you.

Beverages you may consume while on the program :

1. Water (flavoured with lemon/lime if desired).
2. Club Soda is OK.
3. Black Coffee. No cream or cream substitute. No sugar or sweetness.
4. Black Tea = Herb or Leaf.
5. Absolutely nothing else except the fruit juices which are part of day seven. No fruit juices before day seven.

How and Why It Works

Day One you are preparing your system for the upcoming programme. Your only source of nutrition is fresh or canned fruits. Fruits are nature's perfect food. They provide everything you could possibly want to sustain life except total balance and variety.

Day Two starts with a fix of complex carbo-hydrates coupled with an oil dose. This is taken in the morning for energy and balance. The rest of day two consists of vegetables which are virtually calorie free and provide essential nutrients and fibre.

Day Three eliminates the potato because you get your carbohydrates from the fruits. You system is now prepared to start burning excess pounds. You will still have cravings which should start to diminish by day four.

Day Four, bananas, milk and soup sound the strangest and least desirable. You're in for a surprise. You probably will not eat all the bananas allowed. But they are there for the potassium you have lost and the sodium you may have missed the past three days. You will notice a definite loss of desire for sweets. You will be surprised how easy this day will go.

Day Five, Beef and tomatoes. The beef is for iron and proteins, the tomatoes are for digestion and fibre. Lots and lots of water purifies your system. You should notice colourless urine today. Your allowance calls for the equivalent of five "quarter ponders". Do not feel you have to eat all this beef. You must eat the six tomatoes.

Day Six is similar to day five, Iron and proteins from beef, Vitamins and fibre from vegetables. By now your system is in a total weight loss inclination. There should be a noticeable difference in the way you look today, compared to day one.

Day Seven finished off the program like a good cigar used to finish off Victorian meals, except much healthier. You have your system under control and it should thank you for the flushing and cleaning you just gave it.

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Old 02-25-2006, 09:03 PM   #14
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This program is designed for a target weight loss of 10-17 lbs per week. It will also improve your attitudes and emotions because of its cleansing systematic effects.
lol

Here are some longterm results from some veterans of the program:


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ha ha ha ha...

no, but its true a LOT of actors use this to lose fat fast... in fact, i'm gonna use this next month...
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Don't bother to weight train then.
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trust me I see all the points your making as valid, and I wont make excuses for not being able to eat correctly. I'm just gonna do the best I can with these remaining weeks of this trial, and get back on track when its done.

Trouble, i'm not using creatine, and I find it very hard to believe that using xtend (BCAA's, Citruline Malate, Glutamine) will stop me from releasing fat stores ... please explain.

Oh, and i'd like to know what your rational is for the comments on dicana. I have heard from some that there can be a rebound effect afterward. But this is generally seen in those running much higher dosages then I am, and for longer cycles.

In the mean time, I'm going to press on. I'll do what I can to up my protien and fat intake, and I'll leave it at that. In reality there is little more I can do.
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there is little more I can do.
lol... there's little more than anyone can say to that as well....
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Just incase anyone is wondering, I'm not fairing so bad. My strength hasnt dropped off too badly although it has some. And my wieght has been interestingly constant. my wieght this morning was 220.3lbs, so i havent really fluctuated in this time period.

This should all be over soon though, I dont think the trail will go to past st. patties day. Then I can really get back to the business of gettin nutty in the gym.
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This should all be over soon though, I dont think the trail will go to past st. patties day.
Well, hopefully you get out so on St. Patty's you can celebrate my favorite holiday! Guiness Nutritional Label

Couple of black and tan's and you'll gain all that weight/strength back!

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