Go Back   Bodybuilding Forum - Bodybuilding.net > Bodybuilding Forum > Nutrition

CKD Manual

Nutrition discussion on CKD Manual, within the Bodybuilding Forum; So, you want to start a CKD. Now, what the hell is a CKD you ask? Well, a CKD (cyclo-ketonic-diet) ...


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-21-2006, 02:25 PM   #1
Dr X
Rank: Lightweight
Experience: 10+ Years
 
Dr X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: in the deep recesses of your mind
Posts: 1,094
Country:

Gender:
Default CKD Manual

So, you want to start a CKD. Now, what the hell is a CKD you ask? Well, a CKD (cyclo-ketonic-diet) is simply a diet that consists of two cycles: low/no-carbohydrates and high-carbohydrates. How do these two come together to actually make a diet, simply stated: they do, that’s it. But, to be serious. A Ketonic diet is something that we all hear from Atkins, which is basically High-Fat, Moderate-Protein and Low/No-Carbs. Yet, this type of diet, although very effective for the average Joe, is not sufficient for a bodybuilder’s (weightlifter’s) needs.
Why? Well, once your muscle glycogen is depleted, your workouts become a pain in the ass, you are sluggish and muscle loss can occur. (due to the fact that no insulin is present in the system, there will be NO muscle gain while in Ketosis) Because, the main goal of Ketosis is to have no glycogen in the liver so glucagon can be released. (yada yada yada yada, well I don’t think anyone cares about the technical aspect, so I’ll get to the point)Basically, it all boils down to the following: Day 1-6 you eat High-Fat/Moderate-Protein/Low-No-Carbohydrates, then Day 7 you eat HIGH-GI carbohydrates and low-fat, in order to achieve supercompensation and refill muscle glycogen. (this will ensure quality training throughout every CKD cycle you do)
Mr.X, can you please just shut-up and give us some information on setting up a CKD.

YES, I can-------
Setting up a CKD (6days Ketosis/1day Carb-Up)
First-off, let’s figure out your BMR (basal-metabolic-rate). Take your weight and multiply it by 12=daily calorie intake without a deficit.
(100lb person) Example: 100lb x 12cal= 1200cal…1200cal=BMR
Everything I put forth will revolve in one way or another around your BMR, so listen up.

Mr. X's Online Calorie Calculator

6/1 ratio (6 days in ketosis/1 day carb-up)
Figure out your BMR...(basal-metabolic-rate)=caloires needed to maintain current weight
weight x 12=BMR....(EXAMPLE: 100lb x 12=1200 cal a day)
Use the following fat/protein ratios w/ BMR deficit:
Ketosis:
Day:
1-> 85%fat/15%protein--BMR-5%
2-> 75%fat/25%protein--BMR-10%
3-> 65%fat/35%protein--BMR-15%
4-> 70%fat/30%protein--BMR
5-> 70%fat/30%protein--BMR-10%
6-> 65%fat/35%protein--BMR-15%
Carb-Up:
Day-7-> (CARB-UP) BMR+30% ---I will go into detail on the
carb-up later in the article---
So, how do you calculate these percents and BMR. Well, let’s use a 200lb person as an example of this.
EXAMPLE BASED ON 200lb PERSON:
200lb. x 12cal=2400cal (BMR)
Ketosis: Days 1-6:
Day 1: 85%fat/15%protein-- BMR-5%
2400cal (BMR) x .05=120cal (is 5% from BMR)
2400cal (BMR) – 120 cal (5%deficit)=2280cal for day 1
---fat ratios for day 1---
2280cal x .85 (that is 85% fat)=1938cal from fat
Fat has 9 calories/gram
1938cal divided by 9cal/gram=215g fat for day 1
---now we need the protein ratios for day 1---
,p>2280cal x .15(that is 15%protein)=342 cal from protein
Protein has 4 calories/grams
342cal divided by 4cal/gram=86 g protein for day 1
Totals for Day-1: 215g fat/86g protein
Now, you might ask, why is the protein so low? Because protein can keep you out of Ketosis and, remember, everyday you are in Ketosis, you are burning fat while preserving muscle because Ketones (hence the name Ketosis) are protein sparing. Protein can convert to glycogen at almost 58% efficiency, so you see why excess protein is a bad idea. Plus, strictly from a scientific standpoint, a person can maintain current muscle mass at merely a 15%protein ratio, while no muscle gain is possible, maintenance is a very feasible idea with these ratios.
Day 2: 75%fat/25%protein-- BMR-10%
2400cal (BMR) x .10=240cal (is 10% from BMR)
2400cal (BMR) – 240 cal (10%deficit)=2160cal for day 2
---fat ratios for day 2---
2160cal x .75 (that is 75% fat)=1620cal from fat
Fat has 9 calories/gram
1620cal divided by 9cal/gram=180g fat for day 2
---now we need the protein ratios for day 2---
2160cal x .15(that is 15%protein)=324 cal from protein
Protein has 4 calories/grams
324cal divided by 4cal/gram=81 g protein for day 2
Totals for Day-2: 180g fat/81g protein
Day 3: 65%fat/35%protein--BMR-15%
2400cal (BMR) x .15=360cal (is 15% from BMR)
2400cal (BMR) – 360 cal (15%deficit)=2040cal for day 3
---fat ratios for day 3---
2040cal x .65 (that is 65% fat)=1326cal from fat
Fat has 9 calories/gram
1326cal divided by 9cal/gram=147g fat for day 3
---now we need the protein ratios for day 3---
2040cal x .35(that is 35%protein)=714 cal from protein
Protein has 4 calories/grams
714cal divided by 4cal/gram=178 g protein for day 3
Totals for Day-3: 147g fat/178g protein
Day 4: 70%fat/30%protein-- BMR
2400cal (BMR)
---fat ratios for day 4---
2400cal x .70 (that is 70% fat)=1680cal from fat
Fat has 9 calories/gram
1680cal divided by 9cal/gram=186g fat for day 4
---now we need the protein ratios for day 4---
2400cal x .30(that is 30%protein)=720 cal from protein
Protein has 4 calories/grams
720cal divided by 4cal/gram=180 g protein for day 4
Totals for Day-4: 186g fat/180g protein
Day 5: 70%fat/30%protein--BMR-10%
2400cal (BMR) x .10=240cal (is 10% from BMR)
2400cal (BMR) – 240 cal (10%deficit)=2160cal for day 5
---fat ratios for day 5---
2160cal x .70 (that is 70% fat)=1512cal from fat
Fat has 9 calories/gram
1512cal divided by 9cal/gram=168g fat for day 5
---now we need the protein ratios for day 5---
2160cal x .30(that is 30%protein)=648 cal from protein
Protein has 4 calories/grams
648cal divided by 4cal/gram=162 g protein for day 5
Totals for Day-5: 168g fat/162g protein
Day 6: (same as day 3) 65%fat/35%protein-- BMR-15%
2400cal (BMR) x .15=360cal (is 15% from BMR)
2400cal (BMR) – 360 cal (15%deficit)=2040cal for day 6
---fat ratios for day 6---
2040cal x .65 (that is 65% fat)=1326cal from fat
Fat has 9 calories/gram
1326cal divided by 9cal/gram=147g fat for day 6
---now we need the protein ratios for day 6---
2040cal x .35(that is 35%protein)=714 cal from protein
Protein has 4 calories/grams
714cal divided by 4cal/gram=178 g protein for day 6
Totals for Day-6: 147g fat/178g protein
Essential-Fatty-Acids: flaxseed oil, sesames seed oil, sunflower seed oil, grape seed oil, olive oil, peanut oil
Now, I know, I know. You want to know how to do this the easy way. Because, what I’ve just shown beforehand is probably damn complicated. So, here is a simple rule-of-thumb way to break down your Ketosis ratios:
1)Set calories at: 12 cal/lb
2)Set protein intake: typically 0.9 g/lb. Protein has 4 cal/gram
3)Set fat intake: take protein calories and subtract them from total calories, then divide by 9 to get grams of fat.
In practice, most people end up eating about 1 gram of fat for every gram of protein. Ketosis almost always establishes with 1/1 ratios. (fat/protein -grams-)
CARB-UP:
I’ve heard different ratios stated by different people on this subject, but as you know, opinions are like ass-holes everyone has one and it stinks. So, I will attempt to come up with a feasible ratios for you.
DAY 7: --carb-up— BMR+30%
EXAMPLE FOR A 200lb PERSON:
2400cal (BMR) x .30= 720cal
2400cal + 720cal=3120cal
~70%carbs/20%protein/10%fat~
CARBS:
3120 x .70= 2185 cal from carbs
Carbohydrates have 4cal/g
2185cal divided by 4ca/g=546g carbs
PROTEIN:
3120 x .20=624cal from protein
Protein has 4cal/g
624cal divided by 4cal/g=156g protein
FAT:
3120 x .10=312 cal from fat
Fat has 9cal/g
312 divided by 9=35g fat
Totals: 546g carbs/156g protein/35g fat
SAMPLE CARB-UP: (6meals) –based on 200lb person—
1-2: 150 g liquid glucose polymers...like carb powders (ex..carbo max, dextrose..etc.) w/ 1 scoop protein
3-4: 75 g of liquid and solid glucose polymers...sugar cereals (frosted flakes,honey-nut-cheerios..etc) w/ fat-free milk w/ 1/4 cup walnuts
5-6: 50 g of complex carbs (low-GI)...oatmeal, brown-rice, beans, yams, sweet potato w/ 1/4 cup walnuts
FRUCTOSE: (i.e. FRUITS)
Why is it that people say to avoid fructose? I've heard that quite a few times, and was curious why. How important is this? Fructose resupplies the liver with glycogen first, if the liver is full, then via the pentose phosphate pathway, all additional fructose goes to FAT.
I know that every reader wants a simple way to figure out a carb-up, so here it is:
1) Set total calories at: 16 cal/lb
2) Set protein intake: typically 0.2 g/lb. Protein has 4 cal/gram
3) Set fat intake: usually 0.1g/lb. Fat has 9cal/gram
4) Set carb. intake: add protein and fat calories and subtract it from total calories, then divide by 4 to get grams of carbs.
In practice, most people end up eating about 2.7 grams of carbs for every lb of weight.
So, what type of workout and cardio do you have to do while on CKD. Here is a sample workout routine based on a 6/1 CKD. (6day Ketosis/1day carb-up)
Day:
1- 30 min cardio morning(empty stomach)/workout: Chest, Upper-Back, shoulders, arms, traps, abs
2- 30 min cardio morning/ workout: Legs, (includes, calfs, hams,quads), lower-back
3- 45 min cardio morning OR 1 hour cardio during the day
4- SAME AS DAY 3
5- 30-45 min cardio AM no workout
6- 30 min cardio AM/ full body workout = circuit training 3-5 times (very light 20-25reps)
7- before carb-up…early in AM do a full body circuit workout 3-5 times (very light 20-25reps), then IMMEDIATELY begin CARB-UP.
-(DAY 1-6) For each bodypart do 1-2 exercises with 12-10-18-6 -dropset-12 reps---
ex: bench-press 12/10/8/6 drop set 12 reps
-You can increase the number of exercises for legs 1-3 with 12-10-8-6-12 reps---
Ok, now that I have given you way too much information to comprehend, I am going to load up a little more info about supplements and then we’re done.
Supplements you need for CKD:
FIBER –soluble or any other form
Multi Vitamins(MV)/ Multi Minerals(MM)
AdipoKinetix
Ephedrine
(PPA stack on EliteFitness is a very good buy…great quality too)
HOW TO TAKE THEM:
Take MV and MM two times a day (recommended dose), one in the morning and one in the afternoon (around 2-3pm)
Take each 1-3 pills AdipoKinetix with 25mg of ephedrine. 2-3 times a day.
Take Fiber supplementation 2 times a day…once in the morning, and once before bed
WHAT INTERRUPTS KETOSIS?
The only supplements that seem to reliably interrupt ketosis (that I've discovered at least) are vanadyl (seems to affect liver glycogen status) and citrimax (Hydroxycitric acid). Citric acid (found in diet sodas) kicks some people out of ketosis, but does not affect everybody. Aspartame also seems to affect some people but isn't consistent. The anti-oxidant n-acetyl-cysteine can give a false positive for ketosis, but that is all I can think of at the moment.
Basically, the only way to really negatively affect ketosis is by raising blood glucose, or affecting liver metabolism.
Oh yeah, and eating a bunch of carbs while in Ketosis will 100% kick you out of Ketosis.

Mr.X the man with a dream.

Dr X's Sig:The Fool say in his heart "There is no God"
Dr X is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2006, 02:26 PM   #2
Dr X
Rank: Lightweight
Experience: 10+ Years
 
Dr X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: in the deep recesses of your mind
Posts: 1,094
Country:

Gender:
Default

And here is the easy to use worksheet.

http://168.144.38.254/ckd/default.asp
Dr X is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2006, 03:57 PM   #3
bakkily
Rank: Member
Experience: 2-3 Years
 
bakkily's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Arizona, Phnx
Posts: 157
Country:

Gender:
Default

This should be stickied...hehe, and thanks Dr. X!
bakkily is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2006, 05:16 PM   #4
EricT
Rank: Heavyweight
Experience: 7-10 Years
 
EricT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,314
Country:

Gender:
Default

Wasn't this already posted awhile back by Sleazy in the Articles section?
EricT is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2006, 09:14 AM   #5
sdf42450
Rank: Member
Experience: 7-10 Years
 
sdf42450's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 425

Default

yeah, X i think i've seen that somewhere...
sdf42450 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2006, 07:43 PM   #6
Dr X
Rank: Lightweight
Experience: 10+ Years
 
Dr X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: in the deep recesses of your mind
Posts: 1,094
Country:

Gender:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sdf42450
yeah, X i think i've seen that somewhere...
Yeah I thought it was on here once but I didn't see it and since guys are talking about it again I wanted to get it up for those who could use it.
Dr X is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2006, 06:46 PM   #7
mac
Rank: Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: California
Posts: 123
Country:

Gender:
Default

Anyone have any sample meal plans to go with this program??? Just trying to figure out how to split everything up. Thanks
mac is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Reply

  Bodybuilding Forum - Bodybuilding.net > Bodybuilding Forum > Nutrition


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:52 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.