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Old 02-20-2007, 06:57 PM   #1
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Hey guys, like its said in the sticky about how to bulk, that glutamine won't mix with the whey protein, cause it will fight with glutamine peptides for absorption. Can it mix with a weight gainer for example muscle milk. Weight gainers contain 50/50 % carbohydrates and protein right??? will creatine mix with it?? thx ok now another question, would it be best for a beginner like me to use water retainning creatine or non-water retainning ??
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Old 02-20-2007, 07:28 PM   #2
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also, what would you guys recommend as a beginning dose??
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CEE 3g before and after workout
Mono you have to load and make sure you use a carrier (ie;grape juice) not sure on dose because i don't use it and when I did I followed the instructions

someone else will have a better idea

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Old 02-20-2007, 08:11 PM   #4
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aaa talo, i'm mixed up with all these abbreviations??? mono?? cee???
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Mono-creatine monohydrate CEE- Creatine Ester Ethyl
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Peptides do not fight with single aminos for absorption. They use different absorption sites. That's the least of your concerns for glutamine.

No I wouldn't use creatine with a weight gainer...in general.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Eric why can't i use creatine and a weight gainers together??
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As I said "in general" you shouldn't. It really depends on what's in them but I would pretty much advize against it. Weight gainers generally produce a kind of mixture that results in slower gastric emptying and having the creatine hanging in the stomach for extended periods would render it useless.

You can take it with whey. You can take it with carb mixtures. Or both. You don't want fat. Or gums of any kind. Or casein. Weight gainers may contain any of these plus some other stuff. Put it this way, the thicker the goop and the more stuff it has in it the slower it absorbs. So for using the creatine pre and or post you want a little whey with carbs and water or fruit juice only. With creatine mono you need plenty of liquid also. When you first start it (if you choose mono) this is even more important.

BTW, what I said about peptides vs. single aminos may be a little misleading. I was thinking of dipeptides (two aminos) vs. free form or single aminos. If there are longer chains of glutamine peptides they may be hydroluzed in the gut into free form glutamine. In which case you'd just have more free form glutamine which is good as far as glutamine is concerned the extra glutamine probably doesn't make a whole lot of difference.

If there are dipeptides of glutamine present these could be possibly be absorbed through different channels.

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If you are taking glutamine for GI health and immune support, that's great. If you are taking it for muscle-building, you're waisting your money. I have yet to see a human study showing that it supports muscle building but plenty to the contrary.

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Heck for that matter there's not much evidence for it's use of an immune supporter in terms of the effects of exercise (although for chronic diseases it has). GI support I think is pretty solid.
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