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Old 12-05-2006, 10:18 AM   #11
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If i purchase a whey isolate protein shake could i add malto to it and mix it in the shake,like this i have enough carbs and protein

p.s is 40g of malto enough in the shake if its a good idea

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^^^^Yes absolutely add it in the shake. I'm assuming this is for pre so that is something you could do just prior (about 10-15 minutes) to your workout. You don't even need a whole serving of protein, say about 15 to 20 grams protein with about 40 grams carbs you'd get from the malto. Then you can use the same thing post workout except maybe more protein if you want. Again, you'd be better off using dex and malto together, 50% of each in terms of total carbs. Keep in mind that the grams amount and the actual carbs amount is two different things.

With malto it's pretty close. 50 grams = approx. 47 grams so just call it even since it won't matter.

With dex 1.25 teaspoons = 4 grams carbs. I don't really know the gram weight of that.

If it's a brand with flavoring added that will change of course.

You DO not need to worry about some exact amount. Just a round about formula and I would advocate 60 to 100 grams carbs "surrounding" the workout but not more than that.

A pre shake with 1/8 cup or so of malto and 5 teaspoons of dex would put you in the ballpark of 40 grams carbs if you wanted to do that. You could do a little more or a little less depending on how you feel during the workout. Again, there is not exact formula necessary just don't overdo it on the carbs.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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What do you think ,i use N-Xplode "No2" 20min b4 workout it really gives me a boost mentally and physically. Could i have the protein shake with the malto and dex 1 hour b4 workout ,and then have the No2 or this is to much time inbetween the workout and the shake

OR SHALL I JUST QUIT THE No2

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Old 12-05-2006, 02:15 PM   #14
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Hey guys found a Carb gainner containing everything what do you think about this product to mix it withe the protein

NOW Carbo Gain is a 100% pure complex carbohydrate supplement derived from maltodextrin, an easily digestible blend of complex carbohydrates from corn starch. Maltodextrin contains "glucose polymers", linked sugar compounds that are easier for the body to assimilate and use. Glucose polymers are metabolized at a slow, steady rate that can help to sustain energy levels during endurance-oriented workouts and/or athletic events and support weight gain. Carbo Gain contains virtually no protein, fat or fiber and is a convenient source of energy for active individuals.


Serving Size: 1/2 Cup (50 g)
Servings Per Container: 63

Amount Per Serving:

Calories 190
Total Carbohydrates 47g 15%
Sugars 2g
Carbo Powder 50g

Ingredients:
100% Pure Maltodextrin from corn.

Directions: Mix a 1/2 cup of Carbo Gain in each 16 oz. of water or juice. Consume before, during and after intense exercise for best results. Double this recipe if engaging in prolonged exertion of 2 hours or more.
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What do you think ,i use N-Xplode "No2" 20min b4 workout it really gives me a boost mentally and physically. Could i have the protein shake with the malto and dex 1 hour b4 workout ,and then have the No2 or this is to much time inbetween the workout and the shake....OR SHALL I JUST QUIT THE No2
Well I'd vote for nixing the NO2. Having an energy boost is one thing but having those carbs and amions circulating in your bloodstream and available for hungry muscles will go a lot further toward you success, imo.

If your were to keep the NO2 then then use low GI carbs an hour before workout time, no malto. And protein of course. Although manufactures call malto "complex carbs" they do this to try to mislead you into thinking it's low GI. It's not. If you use a lot of high GI carb an hour before working out, as far as the workout is concerned it won't be as effective as a slow carb would be.

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NOW Carbo Gain is a 100% pure complex carbohydrate supplement derived from maltodextrin
That's it. That's what we've been talking about. It's just maltodextrin. The NOW brand is what most people use.
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I wanted to post this simple but very useful explanation on the whole malto and dex thing so that people can understand what I'm talking about. I agree, however, as Cain says at the end, that it is not a great big deal, it just may be more optimal if it matters to you. This explanation is why I assert, however, that if you were to choose one or the other, choose malto.

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The goal post workout is to digest nutrients (PWO shake) quickly so they are transported to our muscles. This process slows when the ingested fluid contains a high osmolarity concentration. The shorter chain length a carbohydrate has, the higher it raises the solution's osmolarity. A pure glucose (dextrose) solution induces very high concentrations of solute. A combination of dextrose and maltodextrin gives a solution with a decreased osmolarity so glucose will enter the blood as a faster rate.

However, using only maltodextrine for this reason isn't optimal. A solution containing two substrates (in this case maltodexrin and dextrose) stimulates the activation of more transport mechanisms in the intestinal lumen, as opposed to just maltodextrin or dextrose alone. This way more carbohydrates are transported out of the small intestine and absorbed into the blood, leading to faster and greater circulation of carbohydrates.

Are dextrose and Malto both classed as a simple carb?

Dextrose is a simple sugar. It is an isomer of glucose, D-glucose. D-glucose is found in living organisms while L-glucose is not. The D enantiomer rotates light to the right, while the L enantiomer rotates light to the left. The Latin expression 'dexter' meaning 'right' was used in calling 'D-glucose' 'Dextrose.'

Maltodextrin is a chain of maltodextrin. While maltodextrin is technically classified as a complex carb because of the number of dextrose molecules chained together, it is digested almost nearly as fast as dextrose. This is because the hydrogen bonds linking the dextrose molecules within maltodextrin are very weak, allowing the body to quickly and easily break them apart during processing.

Both have very fast digestion rates. While adding both to a shake might increase the speed at which glucose is taken up by the muscles, I doubt it's that big of a deal for most people. But if you're looking for that little extra edge, and you're a nutrition Nazi, this could work for you.
It's actually a whole lot more complicated than this but this tells you what you need to know. Who the hell wants to discuss GLUT 4 receptors ? I'll leave it to the lab rats.
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