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Old 02-26-2008, 01:50 PM
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I've been thinking about this lately and lo and behold Will Brink writes a big old article about it. Now...he has a link about his E-book in there but let me point out that he writes a whole lot of usefull stuff for free and gives freely of himself...so I'm not going to quibble about since there is always lot of actual INFO in his articles and he doesn't just hint at "secrets" that will be revealed in a book. Plus he never hardly really plugs anything.

I'll just link to the page.

http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...atid=3&aid=110

I've actually talked about some of these things in regards to the casein and whey thing being a little much and things like that. But at the same time I may be a little guilty of going bonkers of pre/post nutrition sometimes. I'll let the article speak for itself, though.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:01 PM
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This part I've been saying for a couple years now, however:

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So what did they find? In a nut shell, giving people multiple doses of whey—which more closely mimics how people really eat-—had basically the same effects as a single dose of casein, and mixing either with fats and proteins pretty much nullified any big differences between the two proteins.
And people would argue and argue.
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:30 PM
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Some good stuff. Especially the part on milk. I also thought that would be bad to take right after a workout ,instead I always had water .... Even better Chocolate milk !

It wont replace my whey & WM , but I wont feel so bad when I drink it now.

Does that mean if you have more than one scoop of whey then it is no longer a fast acting protein ?

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One bodybuilder I knew who went onto be a well known IFBB pro, used to have a drink of whey after his workouts and several slices of apple pie at the local Friday’s restaurant next to the gym for his post-workout meal.
That would be nice!!
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:48 PM
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Yeah, I'm not changing mine either, Talo. At the same time I probably won't jump all over people about using milk post. But like Will said his bet is still on whey and it's not put to bed yet. But nobody should change anything really, just don't stress over it.

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"techno-functional ultra-repartitioning multi-dimensional”
It's sad that isn't even an exxageration and sadder still that many would believe it actually means something.


Did he say something about two scoops of whey?
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Did he say something about two scoops of whey?
Well, multiple doses of whey. I took it as two or more scoops.
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:27 PM
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^^^^Oh. He's talking about several small doses throughout a certain period...say 7 hours or something. Basically what he means is there is no difference between taking small doses of whey thoughout the day and taking one dose of casein. Likewise, of course around the workout. Some people think, for instance they need BOTH a quick absorbing protein AND a slow absorbing protein post workout to "cover all the bases". But there is no difference between that and just taking whey after workout and then whey again a little while later. Likewise of course, there is no difference between that and eating a meal a little while later or anything else.

In other words you could walk around all day with a container of whey to sip on here and there and that would be no different than using a dose of casein. Not that I'm saying either is necessary, of course.
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Interesting read Eric. I have to say I am feeling a little better now that my stress over pre- and post-workout nutrition is going away. I probably won't change anything I just won't stress as much. Thanks.
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I dont know eric, I guess its my overall hatred of milk that has me second guessing this article, and I did begin reading with skeptics eyes but ...

The study that he sites is pointless ... soy vs milk vs sports drink? Lets take three things you shouldnt be using anyway for post workout shakes and compare them, now we know the very best of the worst things to use.

Why not compare milk to simple whey isolate plus dextrose/maltodextrine? Which is what IMO every pre and post workout shake should consist of (diet depending of course).

I do agree that some people go way overboard with this shit, but I think this article is feeding into the hype rather then slowing it.

That being said I didnt read the entire article
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^^^^Yeah but all you have to do is read what he is really saying. What he is telling us is that most of these studies are pointless in terms of real world application. Yes, they give a little piece of the picture but it is far from complete.

He's goes into those very kind of questions you are asking. Remember the article is not just dealing with the kind of stuff that most of us on this forum are into but with the whole pre/post thing which has a lot of little "groups" in it. But at the same time he's pointing out that nobody can claim to have the whole picture and that all of this stuff is based one or two studies that aren't appropriate, necessarily, to the real world.

Soy is better than water for post workout. So at least you could claim that milk is better than water...something like that

Read the entire article and you'll see what I mean. He's not saying swich to milk. He's making the point that milk is better still than air . But also that all these studies have the same faults. And it's really not the faults of the individual studies since certain parameters are necessary to carry out one. But I will say some of these people make no sense in how to choose follow up studies, another point he's making. Trust me though, Brink has his money on whey + malto.

There is no hype in the article though. None at all.

Personally I am not changing my formula which is just whey, malto, and dex. But to be truthful I stopped measuring out everything quite a while ago. I just throw in some of this and some of that....I'm getting in a ballpark just eyeballing stuff but I'm not going to stress over it, like Widdoes said.

And since you didn't finish the article yet, I don't know why I'm explaining all this I'm hopeless.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:11 AM
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hahah na thats on me eric, I should have read the entire thing and then posted. I was pressed for time though, I just had my final interview with a new firm this afternoon ... keep your fingers crossed for me!

If thats where he was going with the article I agree with him, and you. There are a few studies I have seen post either here or else where that confirm that taking simple carbs before training increases power output, and that taking them and whey after replenishes glycogen levels, and supports muscle repair. Over and above that I have seen nothing difinitive ... which leaves us with whey and dextrose/malto or if you fancy wms.

I suppose a mention of the KISS method is in order here hahahah.
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