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Old 04-02-2010, 12:48 AM   #1
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im not sure if you any one here has tried quail eggs... but they are incredibly good... i was just wondering if i have pickled quail eggs how many would i be able to eat per day? considering the cholesterol and the fact that you could almost fit 5 quail eggs in 1 chicken egg...
when i was little i used to eat them like candy... does pickeling change any of the nutrition? the pickle solution would be vinegar (obveously)
i dont wanna kill myself with cholesterol lol i know i could easily eat 2 dozen of them in a day lol but trying to look it up on the internet leads me to beleive that there is 75mg of cholesterol in each egg (9g egg) and that i could only have 4 to acheive the 100% recommended cholesterol intake.... unfortunetly with an egg that small eating whites only would be impossible
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The amount of fat you intake should balance with all your other macros (protein, carbs). So, depending on what type of ratio you're shooting for, your total calories, what type of diet, etc.

Sounds to me like they have lots of cholesterol so I wouldn't really recommend a bunch of them. Also, I don't think eating a bunch of pickled stuff is that great for you either.

Anyways, if you really enjoy them you can work a few into your diet somehow. It's all about moderation and self control but also about keeping your diet interesting enough so you're not bored with it.

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cholesterol is a myth.....just like the stock market
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Say's who? The paleo crowd?

What part of it is a myth? Intestinal absorption of cholesterol? Or it's effect on CVD risks?

It's not simple or cut and dry but it is not a "myth". A lot has been made of "eating the yolks" because of the amount of sat fat and cholesterol in the yolks. Cholesterol absorption itself being the hot topic. But there doesn't seem to be a big correlation between egg intake and cholesterol so this has led people to jump to the conclusion that the gut does not absorb cholesterol. It does.

The amounts vary between individuals and it's pointless to try to average it but you could say, all thing being equal, that about half of dietary cholesterol is absorbed by the intestinal lumen. However other things affect the absorption and it is likely that the high phospholipid content of egg yolk inhibits absorption.

The trick is not to label individual foods or any part of them as good or bad. I'd say eat all of them pickled quail eggs you want. You'll probably get sick of them and ruin a good thing

There are a lot of bullshitters out there that look at only the evidence that suits their view and come to quite far reaching conclusions about the effect or lack of effect of the level of cholesterol in the diet and the blood level of cholesterol.

For instance, here is a classic leap of logic:

"The body produces more cholesterol when we eat less fat and cholesterol. This is why controlling your intake doesn't work. Therefore cholesterol has no bearing on CVD risk and the development of artherosclerosis"

The premise of the above statement is that prudent diets never result in a reduction in cholesterol for any individual. This is untrue. It does for some. Not for others. There are many metabolic and genetic factors that regulate cholesterol absorption AND production. Therefore statements like the one above that rely on bullshit premises are, by definition, bullshit.

Here is a big nutrition and health cue. Whenever anybody claims to have cut and dry answers when the rest of the scientific community is still trying to come up with the right questions...they are full of shit.

There is still a big controversy and a lot of disagreement about the risk factors for CVD. I don't think it's the province of bodybuilding forums to come to conclusions about it. But the big stumbling block is the seeming ambiguity with not everyone who has a "risk factor" devlops CVD or has a heart attack. Which is silly since it is called a risk factor for a reason. You can be exposed to a disease and not catch it. Are we then to say that there is not a connection to being exposed to a disease and contracting it? I wouldn't call that logic.

I'm not saying you are full of shit, Pity, I'm saying that whoever you got your information from that "cholesterol is a myth" is full of shit...which is the same thing as knowing the unknowable.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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the whole statement was a joke...not a serious bit in it i meant to come back to it but forgot.

one very interesting thing though...i've had two people in the family die from CVD...and they always had a total cholesterol of around 100. and both of those people grew up on farms...eating really only whole foods...so something there doesn't add up...i don't know if we will ever figure it out. sticking to very few processed foods, eating lean meats, and taking in alot of veggies has worked well for keeping my cholesterol down...and i feel alot better on a daily basis.

this site had some good information even though it looks kind of amateurish

http://www.health-heart.org/


i "feel" it's just the laziness we have become accustomed to...and the quick fix meal that is doing us in. that and force feeding our cows corn so that we can make more of the almighty dollar



with diet it comes down to moderation...and really with anything...training...stress...whatever. and like eric said don't believe anybody that has a strict answer one way or another...the real answer usually lies somewhere in the middle.

so eat some quail eggs...don't eat 6000 a day...but you can probably get away with more than 1...and if you start on ostrich eggs..i'd say stick to one...them suckers are huge

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I figured it might be a joke but it's a pretty common statement made in all seriousness so I figured I might as well...

The part that doesn't add up is expecting it to add up.

Just so happens I just got done publishing this:


Grass Fed Versus Grain Fed Beef: Fatty Acid Profiles, Antioxidant Content and Taste

BTW, hardly any beef cattle gets an exclusive grain (or corn) diet. That's a frequent misunderstanding. It's "grain finished" rather than grass finished.

Another btw, if you've never had it, grass fed beef tastes like shit.
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the stuff i had was great....but after microwaving the other half of the pound i made into burgers...was not so good. and i'm not gonna pay $7 a lb to enjoy half of it.

there is a dairy farm here in town that does like a half and half diet...but no hormones or anything...and my parent's swear by it...but i have yet to try it. and it's not $7 a pound.

it's just weird/interesting that high cholesterol in one person could lead to something...but not matter at all in somebody else.
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You gotta watch out for the diet gimmicks.

As I was saying most beef cattle is fed half and half. Starts out in pasture then is sold to a producer who usually puts em into feed lots to finish them and they are given a mixture of grains and soy to grow fast and get fatter.

So to say half and half in itself doesn't mean much.
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You gotta watch out for the diet gimmicks.

As I was saying most beef cattle is fed half and half. Starts out in pasture then is sold to a producer who usually puts em into feed lots to finish them and they are given a mixture of grains and soy to grow fast and get fatter.

So to say half and half in itself doesn't mean much.
i used to work with cattle and that is true... alot would do exactly that just so they can put what they want on the label and the cattle are usualy sold by weight so they get the added benifit with fatter beef

unfortunetly the good beef also has a nice fat marbeling thru it especialy AAA prime
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Yep. I mean "back in the day" I guess it was all pasture and people were probably used to beef with less marbling. I think it was economic factors that influenced the feed lot but most people were raised on grain finished beef and you ask a master grill boss what the key is to a good steak and he's going to tell you marbling!
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