Go Back   Bodybuilding Forum - Bodybuilding.net > Bodybuilding Forum > Nutrition

Slow digesting protein source

Nutrition discussion on Slow digesting protein source, within the Bodybuilding Forum; I read on here that you should have a slow digesting protein source right before bed. What would this be? ...


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-11-2007, 11:03 AM   #1
brew
Rank: New Member
Experience: > 1 Year
 
brew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 37
Country:

Gender:
Default Slow digesting protein source

I read on here that you should have a slow digesting protein source right before bed. What would this be? What and how do you tell if it is slow digesting or fast?

I would assume that you want fast digesting protein both pre and post workout but should you mix in the slow type throughout the day?
brew is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2007, 11:10 AM   #2
IronKitten
Rank: Bantamweight
Experience: 10+ Years
 
IronKitten's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 698

Gender:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by brew View Post
I read on here that you should have a slow digesting protein source right before bed. What would this be? What and how do you tell if it is slow digesting or fast?

I would assume that you want fast digesting protein both pre and post workout but should you mix in the slow type throughout the day?
Casein is the slowest digesting source. So in terms of right before bed, that would be the best choice.

As far as mixing things up throughout the day, there've been quite a few studies done on the subject with no real definitive answer (that I've found that is). Some believe that getting multiple sources throughout the day is best, whereas others think only whey during the day. And some even mix different sources within the same shake. So in terms of one being superior to another during your active periods, I'd say it's more personal choice than anything.
IronKitten is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2007, 11:23 AM   #3
hrdgain81
Rank: Light Heavyweight
Experience: 5-7 Years
 
hrdgain81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,715

Default

^^ all good points. I'll just add that Cottage Cheese is a great (and cheap) source of casein, and may help curb hunger cravings better then a shake if your lookin for a night time snack. some people cant stand it, but a little salt an pepper and its awesome if you ask me.

As for mixing in different types through the day, I'd say dont bother worrying about it, just make sure your hitting your overall numbers for protien.

hrdgain81's Sig:I don't do this for my family, my friends, women, accolades, pride, or ego. I do it for me and no one else, its just part of who I am.
hrdgain81 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2007, 11:29 AM   #4
IronKitten
Rank: Bantamweight
Experience: 10+ Years
 
IronKitten's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 698

Gender:
Default

Good point with the CC. I've made CC ice cream lots of times. I'm not a fan of the natural texture of CC, so I blend it, mix in some whey PP for flavor (or you can use FF/SF gelatin). Put it in the freezer for a while, and voila, you have protein packed ice cream.

To add another point to the sources used during the day, it's best to get as much of your protein from whole food sources as you can with pwo being the main time you want a faster acting (whey) source.
IronKitten is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2007, 11:30 AM   #5
hrdgain81
Rank: Light Heavyweight
Experience: 5-7 Years
 
hrdgain81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,715

Default

you may have to put that CC icecream reciept (god I cant spell) up for us IK, sounds like a dam good idea.
hrdgain81 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2007, 11:44 AM   #6
EricT
Rank: Heavyweight
Experience: 7-10 Years
 
EricT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,314
Country:

Gender:
Default

I agree with everything said (I'm saying that a lot lately). The options mentioned are good choices before bed. But as far as the slow digesting protein source before bed and in general the slow and fast protein hoopla, I think it's a lot of hype about nothing. Like IronKitten said around your workout is the only time you can be fairly certain that having a FAST protein source (whey) is beneficial but otherwise just eat varied and get all your protein needs in. I think Hrdgains point about curbing hunger cravings is a whole lot more valid than whether the protein source is "slow". Although CC is a slow digesting casein source.

But I've never found that the type of protein I ate before bed makes a bit of difference as far as muscle gain and I've found casein powder to be just basically a more expensive powder than whey For me when I'm using whey at other times beside pre and post workout I might throw in olive or flax oil (I don't really throw it in, I take it straight) and maybe some fiber.

As far as proteins, basically every protein source is "slow" compared to whey. Some are called medium and some slow but the point is to use various whole food sources. The only reason casein is such big news is because dairy by-products are big business. There is a lot of money in the whey market (I mean tons) and of course if another milk by-product can be brought up people are going to what to cash in.

I'm not saying casein is a bad protein though.

EricT's Sig:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
or
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
EricT is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2007, 11:57 AM   #7
IronKitten
Rank: Bantamweight
Experience: 10+ Years
 
IronKitten's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 698

Gender:
Default

It's not much of a recipe, really.

Put CC in a blender with any flavorings you want and blend til smooth. You can pop it in the freezer for a little while until it gets cold/thicker if you want. I'll eat it straight out of the blender too. It's kinda like a soft serve consistency at that point.

Flavorings can be whatever you want/can have per diet plan...

Things I use:
Protein powder
SF/FF gelatin
SF DaVinci/Torani syrups
Fruit

Add some splenda/stevia/sugar if you like too. If I'm using the SF syrups, I don't add any extra sweetener (since they're sweet to begin with). With things like gelatin and PP, I'll sometimes add in one packet of Splenda per serving.

If you have one of those little Magic Bullet blenders, they're great for this. Or an electric single blade hand mixer. If you're using a full size blender, it's best to make more than one serving at a time being that getting it all out of the bottom and off the blades can be a pain with a smaller amount in there.
IronKitten is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2007, 12:17 PM   #8
brew
Rank: New Member
Experience: > 1 Year
 
brew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 37
Country:

Gender:
Default

Sounds pretty good IronKitten thanks for the idea I will try it and thanks to everyone for clearing this up a bit for me.
brew is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2007, 01:37 PM   #9
TALO
Rank: Light Heavyweight
Experience: 5-7 Years
 
TALO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Alberta , Canada
Posts: 3,076
Country:

Gender:
Default

Milk works good too!
TALO is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2007, 03:28 PM   #10
hunt0r
Rank: Member
Experience: 1-2 Years
 
hunt0r's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 305
Country:

Gender:
Send a message via AIM to hunt0r
Default

How important is it to have protein right before bed? I have 10lb bag of whey in my room...can I just take a whey protein shake before bed if thats all I got available? I realize it isnt slow digesting and all that, but its better then nothing...right?

hunt0r's Sig:"You can succeed if nobody else believes it, but you will never succeed if you don't believe in yourself."
-William J.H. Boetcker

22 yrs old
6'3 220lbs
Goals: Add lean mass and cut body fat.
hunt0r is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Reply

  Bodybuilding Forum - Bodybuilding.net > Bodybuilding Forum > Nutrition


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.