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Old 07-07-2006, 11:51 PM   #1
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hi I just registered for this forum today and I wanted some advice on gaining weight.I've looked all over the net and read articles about it but most of em are different from the others and i'm not sure what to believe.I've tried weight gain supplements,protein powder,and that sort of thing but quit cause I like to avoid takin pills and such when I don't need to.I've decided to go natural with gaining weight by eating right and workin out.I was wonderin if anyone has any advice for healthy foods that are high in calories and protein and what kinda direction to go in to gain weight right. (right now i'm 15 years old 125lbs and 6ft tall and am supposed to weigh around 140-160lbs)
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Old 07-08-2006, 09:12 AM   #2
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Well right now your pretty skinny, so I'm thinking you can prolly get away with eating everything you see in sight. You mentioned eating right and working out, can you post up your diet and training schedule so we can take a look at it, and then give you tips from there
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Old 07-08-2006, 11:07 AM   #3
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Also look at the nutrition stickies. They really should tell you everything you need to know. Plus a some more articles in the Nutrition Articles section. Even if certain things may be slightly condradictory that will still give you a research base to go of from which you can come up with a diet plan that others here can help you with based on their experience.

And I would recommend a whey protein powder at least for pre/post workout. Nothing unnatural about protein. Also some high GI carbs for the same purpose. It's all in the nutrition stickies.

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(right now i'm 15 years old 125lbs and 6ft tall and am supposed to weigh around 140-160lbs)
Some general advice. If you want to gain mass, do it for YOURSELF. Not to satisfy a weight chart. You'll be more succesful that way. Hell, theres even a fancy term for it: inoteric behavior as opposed to exoteric behaviour. Inoteric meaning that you do things because of their intrinsic value to you and you alone instead of some outside consideration.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Also look at the nutrition stickies. They really should tell you everything you need to know. Plus a some more articles in the Nutrition Articles section. Even if certain things may be slightly condradictory that will still give you a research base to go of from which you can come up with a diet plan that others here can help you with based on their experience.

And I would recommend a whey protein powder at least for pre/post workout. Nothing unnatural about protein. Also some high GI carbs for the same purpose. It's all in the nutrition stickies.



Some general advice. If you want to gain mass, do it for YOURSELF. Not to satisfy a weight chart. You'll be more succesful that way. Hell, theres even a fancy term for it: inoteric behavior as opposed to exoteric behaviour. Inoteric meaning that you do things because of their intrinsic value to you and you alone instead of some outside consideration.
yeah thats true,keep goin until your satisfied,and i'l post my diet as soon as I'm finished redoing it,and the whey stuff you buy they put diff kinds of crap in it besides just the protein itself.
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and the whey stuff you buy they put diff kinds of crap in it besides just the protein itself.
What are you talking about? Most of the basic wheys just have whey concentrate, whey isolates, and whey peptides. Some gainers have other stuff. It's mostly just vitamins and minerals.
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[QUOTE=Eric3237]What are you talking about? Most of the basic wheys just have whey concentrate, whey isolates, and whey peptides. Some gainers have other stuff. It's mostly just vitamins and minerals[QUOTE]

[QUOTE] "As with protein in general, long-term, excessive intake may be associated with deteriorating kidney function and possibly osteoporosis."
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[QUOTE]and the other dietary sources of protein typically contribute more protein to the diet than does whey protein.
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Got somethin in it thats not too good for you.They Usually find out later that all this stuff you that you can take causes major health risks.It says kidney deteration hasn't been linked to whey protein or protein itself but it still says it may.(natural sources of protein more likely run a lower risk of deterioration to your kidneys.) And I guess the other dietary sources of protein are better for you then whey is. Just like creatine. They now think creatine causes cancer and their tryin to get it classified as a class 3 steroid in the US and it's banned in the UK.And noone thought in the 90's it had any of those side effects.Eating a steak or some hamburger after a workout gives you more protein then a glass of whey protein does.And I know whey protein comes from milk,but the whey you buy is made artifically from natural ingredients and any form of meat is a natural source for protein itself.(cheaper and it's food.)
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So I say you just quit bodybuilding and pick up Badminton as a hobby, or you can have an 8 ounce hamburger post workout everyday But make sure thats natural beef your getting because then it could be coming from cows that were raised "Unnaturally" and they were given hormones to make them weight more, and if they aren't free-range animals they get upset and make
sure when the farmers kill them they give off disease and sickness to everyone who eats them.

On a serious note though, I've heard about this debate several times and I think the whole thing is BS. I've personnally used whey protein for over 2 years and I've never experienced any "Kidney Deterioration" and I'm sure there are people on this board who have been using whey protein for over 10 years, and they are fine. Even though I hate to take stuff from Bodybuilding.com for the sake of this debate I will

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Are High Protein Diets Safe? Dispelling The Myths.

By: Layne Norton

Ever since the day I first touched a weight, I've heard them, the myths surrounding weightlifting and bodybuilding. I'm sure you've heard some of them at one time or another as well. Everything from "weightlifting stunts your growth" to "lifting weights shrinks your penis" to "you know creatine is a steroid, right?"

While many myths are easy to write off as being ridiculous, the myths surrounding protein intake are more widespread. Many people have the impression that high protein diets are unhealthy. Kidney damage, liver damage, heart disease, osteoporosis and others have all been blamed, to some degree, on high protein intakes.

Even the American Heart Association's (AHA) Nutrition Committee stated in 2001 "Individuals who follow these (high protein) diets are at risk for... potential cardiac, renal, bone, and liver abnormalities." Unfortunately for the AHA, there is very little scientific validity to their claim, and much scientific evidence to the contrary.


Myth One
Kidneys

The kidneys are involved in nitrogen excretion, and thus it has been theorized by some that a high nitrogen intake (protein) may cause stress to the kidneys. Additionally, low protein diets have typically been recommended to people who suffer from renal disorders. To conclude that a high protein intake damages the kidney is very tenuous however.

A study examining bodybuilders with protein intakes of 2.8g/kg vs. well trained athletes with moderate protein intakes revealed no significant differences in kidney function between the groups.1 Additionally, a review of the scientific literature on protein intake and renal function concluded that "there is no reason to restrict protein in healthy individuals."

Furthermore, the review concluded that not only does a low protein intake not prevent the decline in renal function with age, it may actually be the major cause of the decline!2

1# Poortmans JR, Dellalieux O. Do regular high-protein diets have potential health risks on kidney function in athletes? Int J Sports Nutr 2000;10:28-38.
2# Walser M. Effects of protein intake on renal function and on the development of renal disease. In: The Role of Protein and Amino Acids in Sustaining and Enhancing Performance. Committee on Military Nutrition Research, Institute of Medicine. Washington, DC: National Academies Press, 1999, pp. 137-154.
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So I say you just quit bodybuilding and pick up Badminton as a hobby, or you can have an 8 ounce hamburger post workout everyday
Quote of the day LOL!

Too many myths to deal with....
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Should I thow in about 20 pages of stuff that dispells all that in addition to what verb posted? I got better things to do with my time than to deal with this media driven nonsense.
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[QUOTE=verbatimreturned] So I say you just quit bodybuilding and pick up Badminton as a hobby, or you can have an 8 ounce hamburger post workout everyday

Nah,i'm good for now,badminton is kinda gay for me.bodybuilding is not my hobby,and I never knew bodybuilding was a hobby,thought it was a way of life that isn't very long.Believe it or not,you don't need crap like whey for bodybuilding,theres something called "Meat" that gives you more protein,it's food,and healthy.or just drink something called "milk" and get the same benefits as whey,but more of it. And no I don't need 20 pages of articles telling me how much safer supplements and other crap are.I'm sure it tells all about how safe anabolics are too.But more to the point of this whole topic if anyone else has any advice thats usefull or anything else that can help me a little bit it wouldn't hurt otherwise might as well just close this topic.
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