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Nutrition discussion on when do u take your multivitamin?, within the Bodybuilding Forum; Originally Posted by WantingMuscle7 hmm i never thought a multi-v would b that important but as u guys go on ...


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Old 06-04-2005, 06:58 PM   #11
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hmm i never thought a multi-v would b that important but as u guys go on its making me think i should start doin it everyday whenever i remember i would pop a pill ill start adding it to my everyday morning routine as well as a shake
Ha! Me and TAURUS were debating on whether or not it's beneficial to eat protein every chance you get or not (I'm winning)

A multi is important, and should be taken once a day w/ food. It's just more logical to take it with breakfast because your body has been deprived of vitamins/minerals/protein all night.

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Old 06-04-2005, 07:13 PM   #12
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TAURUS, please just back up your statement that it's bad to take in protein as soon as you awaken. Here's a few PhD's. I'm sure they don't have any protein ties because their article goes on and on about other supplements/nutrition. Listen, by the way, I wasn't kidding about my gains since this addition came into my plan. Can't argue with results, or maybe YOU can :eek:

Here's a few references to titilate your brain...
Steve Stiefel, PhD
Jim Stoppani, PhD

Here's one of my specific articles for you:
"Take in a whey protein shake immediately after awakening. You have been sleeping for as many as 8 hours, so you have not been providing your body with aminos for muscle building, muscle maintenence, and other processes. Although sleep allows your body to grow and recover, it leads to a catabolic state in which your body breaks down muscle mass to get the necessary aminos for conversion into energy....blah, blah, blah...Mix whey with water for faster absorbtion. Avoid consuming fats, complex carbs, and fiber as these will slow down digestion and absorbtion of protein, working against your goals."

I'm still waiting on Parrillo and his 20 years experience

Stay tuned for more and more specific examples further backing my (and everyone else's) claims for improvement

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Old 06-04-2005, 07:19 PM   #13
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ANYONES digestion and assimilation processes CANNOT break down 50 Gs of protein in one single meal - its far less than that. JUST because you force-feed yourself ALL that shit doesnt mean its going to all be useful. Its like trying to pour a gallon of water into a quart-sized glass - Where does all the spill-over go? THATS the type of question people should be asking AND expalining.
BTW, where did I ever say to ingest 50 grams of protein powder??!! I said one scoop with water :eek: Maybe you use an icecream scoop or a dump truck, but I'm talking about the 23 gram one in th emorning.

As for postworkout, show some references about how much the body can handle at one time. There aren't any I can think of because everyone is different. 50 grams works for me-

2 years ago after Iraq:169 lbs around
Now 246 all the while using 50 gram increments. I'm actually in the process of getting trained by the founder of DC training. We've been answering questions back and forth. He's over 300 pounds and speaks from 20 plus years of experience as well as all his trainees. They can't be all wrong about this, and they aren't pushing products like protein either

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Old 06-04-2005, 07:46 PM   #14
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BTW, where did I ever say to ingest 50 grams of protein powder??!! I said one scoop with water :eek: Maybe you use an icecream scoop or a dump truck, but I'm talking about the 23 gram one in th emorning.

As for postworkout, show some references about how much the body can handle at one time. There aren't any I can think of because everyone is different. 50 grams works for me-

2 years ago after Iraq:169 lbs around
Now 246 all the while using 50 gram increments. I'm actually in the process of getting trained by the founder of DC training. We've been answering questions back and forth. He's over 300 pounds and speaks from 20 plus years of experience as well as all his trainees. They can't be all wrong about this, and they aren't pushing products like protein either
i guess u take ons whey right....lol trying to break up this somewhat serious debate
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Old 06-04-2005, 07:50 PM   #15
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YOUR A PUP STILL - Try to formulate your own opinions instead of hiding behind 'studies' and 'claims', which anyone can find enough of to 'dis-prove' anyones 'ideals' that dont meet your own.
You must've missed the whole 169-246 lb gain in 2 years I posted huh? That's what I'll "hide" behind. You said you wanted actual studies and I posted some thought from two PhD's.
Oh well, a few more for good measure-
Boirie Y, Dangin M, Gachon P, Vasson M-P, Maoubois J-L, Beaufrere B (1997). Slow and fast dietary proteins differently modulate postprandial protein accretion. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA, 94: 14930-14935.
Bricker ML, Mitchell HH (1947). The protein requirements of the adult rat in terms of the protein contained in egg, milk and soy flour. J Nutr, 33: 491-504.
Cox WM JR, Mueller AJ, Elman R, Albanese AA, Kemmerer KS, Barton RW, Holt LE Jr (1946). Nitrogen retention studies on rats, dogs and man: The effect of adding methionine to an enzymic hydrolysate. J Nutr, 32: 437-457.
Demling RH, DeSanti L (2000). Effect of a hypocaloric diet, increased protein intake and resistance training on lean mass gains and fat mass loss in overweight police officers. Ann Nutr Metab, 44: 21-29.
Fereday A, Gibson NR, Cox M, Pacy PJ, Millward DJ (1998). Variation in the apparent sensitivity of the insulin mediated inhibition of proteolysis to amino acid supply determines the efficiency of protein utilization. Clin Sci, 95: 725.
Garlick PJ, McNurlan MA, Patlak CS (1999). Adaptation of protein metabolism in relation to limits to high dietary protein intake. Eur J Clin Nutr, 53: S34.
Johnson RM, Deuel HJ, Morehouse MG, Mehl JW (1946). The effect of methionine upon the urinary nitrogen in men at normal and low levels of protein intake. J Nutr, 32: 371-387.
Melville S, McNurlan MA, McHardy KC, Broom J, Milne E, Calder AG, Garlick PJ (1989). The role of degradation in the acute control of protein balance in adult man: Failure of feeding to stimulate protein synthesis as assessed by L-[1-13C]leucine infusion. Metabolism, 38: 248-255.
Price GM, Halliday D, Pacy PJ, Quevedo RM, Millward DJ (1994). Nitrogen homeostasis in man: 1. Influence of protein intake on the amplitude of diurnal cycling of body nitrogen. Clin Sci, 86: 91-102.
Reeds PJ, Fiorotto ML, Davis TA (1992). Nutrition partitioning. An overview. In: Bray GA, Ryan DH, eds. The Science of Food Regulation. Volume 2. Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University. p. 103-120.
Sarwar G, Peace RW, Botting HG, Brule D (1989). Relationship between amino acid scores and protein quality indices based on rat growth. Plant Foods Hum Nutr, 39: 33-44.
Shigemitsu K, Tsjuishita Y, Miyake H, Hidayat S, Tanaka N, Hara K, Yonezawa K (1999). Structural requirement of leucine for activation of p70 S6 kinase. FEBS Lett, 447: 303.
Tomarelli RM, Bernhart FW (1947). A bioassay for protein and protein digests. J Nutr, 33: 263-272.
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Old 06-04-2005, 07:54 PM   #16
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EXAMPLES Cancer / HIV / Hepatitis / Ebola / Diverticulitis - IF they know so much WHY are those afflictions still killing millions of people a year world-wide?
Ask this to NASA while you're at it...
Why are there flying saucers in the sky?
Where did we really come from?

Poor examples man. I'm not "hiding". You wanted specific examples and here you go. I'll use myself as one too. I really don't think you could gain all that weight at one time do you? Have you?
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a flip flopper lmfao i havent seen that term used since the kerry bush elections
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TRYING to hypothesize that your gains are from PORTIEN is pathetic - DIDNT you yourself apply the effort to grow? MAYBE it was all your hard work & not the protein, WHICH, surprisingly you used to MOCK the hell out of just @ a month ago - YOUR just busting my balls NOW - YOUR A 'FLIP-FLOPPER'! I MOCK YOU!!! --- VICTORY IS MINE!!
Of course I'm bustin your balls now because this is fucking rediculous. Trust me, between heresay from you and my future DC trainer, John Parrillo, and a thousand scientists, I'm sorry...
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And might I add that I wish the top posters contest was still in effect because I can only hope for debates like this to rep my post count!!





BTW-I win :cool:
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Old 06-04-2005, 08:14 PM   #20
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Never touched steroids only because I didn't want the hastle. As for diverticulitis, it was because I wasn't getting the amount of fiber I needed. Picture eating 300 or so grams of protein a day-Mostly red meat, chicken, ect. My only shakes were morning ;) , pre-post, and maybe one right before bed. My fiber was a can of veggies and a bowl of cereal.

On a side note, TAURUS do you agree with this assessment: Right before bed, it's more beneficial to also take in 3 grams of fiber with your last protein shake before bed because it slows down the digestive process, giving you longer protein balance while you sleep.

BTW, I hardly ever cut and paste. I only do that for you when you need sources or studies...Which happens to be most of the time. Most of my knowledge I happen to back up and find specifics on it. ie-7 OXO thread.

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