when do u take your multivitamin?
 

i was just wonder when during the day do most people here take theyre multivitamin and if they take it with a meal or something like that. i was thinking about it and thought to myself why not take it right before bed since the body does grow when your resting and throughout the night so why not provide it with all the vitamins it needs then

doesnt matter as long as u do it same time everyday and its best takin w/ a snack or meal but thats jus what i heard about them i usually jus take it w/ breakfast

I usualy take mine before I workout..

Chinpeicedave-I wouldn't take one right before you workout because multi's draw a lot of water from you in order to be utilized. They are most utilized taking them with food.

-I take one in the morning with food because of the fact that my body hasn't had any nutrients through a whole night of sleep. It's the same with protein. I take a protein shake in water as soon as I wakeup also. I take another mini-multi with my last meal of the day before I sleep. Again, it's so that my body has the nutrients through more of the day instead of just the morning.

Uh-huh, I'm looking for positive nitrogen balance. I drink a protein shake when I wakeup for the same reason why everybody takes one right before bed. Casein before bed, whey upon awakening...It keeps you with the aminos and protein as long as possible. Sometimes I also wake up in the middle of the night to take another shake. Since I started doing this, I shot up 40 lbs, and only gained 2% bodyfat in the process. I actually learned this trick from something John Parrillo wrote. Go to his website, he knows his shit! There's a thousand references to taking protein when you wakeup. I also think one of the past 2-3 Flex magazine writeups has it as well.

As for taking a multi before working out, it uses alot more water than you think. You can't compare the two. Why does everyone and their mother take a preworkout shake consisting of "protein"?

Actually TAURUS, I think you misunderstood...

-As soon as you wakeup, down 1 scoop whey with water (for faster absorbtion)
-Shit, shower, shave
-Eat breakfast, multi,
-carry on with the rest of your day

I'm not saying to drink protein in the morning for energy or a meal or anything. I'm saying that after 8 hours of going without protein, it's best to fefeed your muscles as soon as possible. Trust me, this is great advice, and not very many people do it. ;)

i was always doin shake after workout say 4pm then shake b4 bed 10-11pm
should i take a third one in the morning or take postworkout shake and move to the am

You workout late afternoon I take it. Take one as soon as you wake up, one preworkout, one postworkout. The shake right before bed should be casein and is optional. I usually try for cottage cheese right before bed.

On a side note-Ever wake up and you appear smaller than any other point of the day? It's because your body hasn't had any nutrients, aminos, protein to feed off of throughout the night. :eek:

No I'm not saying to use protein as energy. BTW, you're not just arguing with me, but with alot of reputable and knowledgable trainers/bodybuilders as well. I didn't pull this out of a hat. You're body needs protein throughout the day, to include morning, afternoon, night, every second of the day. Why do people take 50 grams of protein preworkout? Is it for energy? Is it for rebuilding?? Protein carries aminos which I'm sure you know. Anti-catabolic properties which the body needs-esp. bodybuilders.

hmm i never thought a multi-v would b that important but as u guys go on its making me think i should start doin it everyday whenever i remember i would pop a pill ill start adding it to my everyday morning routine as well as a shake

Ha! Me and TAURUS were debating on whether or not it's beneficial to eat protein every chance you get or not (I'm winning)

A multi is important, and should be taken once a day w/ food. It's just more logical to take it with breakfast because your body has been deprived of vitamins/minerals/protein all night.

TAURUS, please just back up your statement that it's bad to take in protein as soon as you awaken. Here's a few PhD's. I'm sure they don't have any protein ties because their article goes on and on about other supplements/nutrition. Listen, by the way, I wasn't kidding about my gains since this addition came into my plan. Can't argue with results, or maybe YOU can :eek:

Here's a few references to titilate your brain...
Steve Stiefel, PhD
Jim Stoppani, PhD

Here's one of my specific articles for you:
"Take in a whey protein shake immediately after awakening. You have been sleeping for as many as 8 hours, so you have not been providing your body with aminos for muscle building, muscle maintenence, and other processes. Although sleep allows your body to grow and recover, it leads to a catabolic state in which your body breaks down muscle mass to get the necessary aminos for conversion into energy....blah, blah, blah...Mix whey with water for faster absorbtion. Avoid consuming fats, complex carbs, and fiber as these will slow down digestion and absorbtion of protein, working against your goals."

I'm still waiting on Parrillo and his 20 years experience :)

Stay tuned for more and more specific examples further backing my (and everyone else's) claims for improvement :rolleyes: :D

BTW, where did I ever say to ingest 50 grams of protein powder??!! I said one scoop with water :eek: Maybe you use an icecream scoop or a dump truck, but I'm talking about the 23 gram one in th emorning.

As for postworkout, show some references about how much the body can handle at one time. There aren't any I can think of because everyone is different. 50 grams works for me-

2 years ago after Iraq:169 lbs around
Now 246 all the while using 50 gram increments. I'm actually in the process of getting trained by the founder of DC training. We've been answering questions back and forth. He's over 300 pounds and speaks from 20 plus years of experience as well as all his trainees. They can't be all wrong about this, and they aren't pushing products like protein either :D

i guess u take ons whey right....lol trying to break up this somewhat serious debate

You must've missed the whole 169-246 lb gain in 2 years I posted huh? :rolleyes: That's what I'll "hide" behind. You said you wanted actual studies and I posted some thought from two PhD's.
Oh well, a few more for good measure-
Boirie Y, Dangin M, Gachon P, Vasson M-P, Maoubois J-L, Beaufrere B (1997). Slow and fast dietary proteins differently modulate postprandial protein accretion. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA, 94: 14930-14935.
Bricker ML, Mitchell HH (1947). The protein requirements of the adult rat in terms of the protein contained in egg, milk and soy flour. J Nutr, 33: 491-504.
Cox WM JR, Mueller AJ, Elman R, Albanese AA, Kemmerer KS, Barton RW, Holt LE Jr (1946). Nitrogen retention studies on rats, dogs and man: The effect of adding methionine to an enzymic hydrolysate. J Nutr, 32: 437-457.
Demling RH, DeSanti L (2000). Effect of a hypocaloric diet, increased protein intake and resistance training on lean mass gains and fat mass loss in overweight police officers. Ann Nutr Metab, 44: 21-29.
Fereday A, Gibson NR, Cox M, Pacy PJ, Millward DJ (1998). Variation in the apparent sensitivity of the insulin mediated inhibition of proteolysis to amino acid supply determines the efficiency of protein utilization. Clin Sci, 95: 725.
Garlick PJ, McNurlan MA, Patlak CS (1999). Adaptation of protein metabolism in relation to limits to high dietary protein intake. Eur J Clin Nutr, 53: S34.
Johnson RM, Deuel HJ, Morehouse MG, Mehl JW (1946). The effect of methionine upon the urinary nitrogen in men at normal and low levels of protein intake. J Nutr, 32: 371-387.
Melville S, McNurlan MA, McHardy KC, Broom J, Milne E, Calder AG, Garlick PJ (1989). The role of degradation in the acute control of protein balance in adult man: Failure of feeding to stimulate protein synthesis as assessed by L-[1-13C]leucine infusion. Metabolism, 38: 248-255.
Price GM, Halliday D, Pacy PJ, Quevedo RM, Millward DJ (1994). Nitrogen homeostasis in man: 1. Influence of protein intake on the amplitude of diurnal cycling of body nitrogen. Clin Sci, 86: 91-102.
Reeds PJ, Fiorotto ML, Davis TA (1992). Nutrition partitioning. An overview. In: Bray GA, Ryan DH, eds. The Science of Food Regulation. Volume 2. Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University. p. 103-120.
Sarwar G, Peace RW, Botting HG, Brule D (1989). Relationship between amino acid scores and protein quality indices based on rat growth. Plant Foods Hum Nutr, 39: 33-44.
Shigemitsu K, Tsjuishita Y, Miyake H, Hidayat S, Tanaka N, Hara K, Yonezawa K (1999). Structural requirement of leucine for activation of p70 S6 kinase. FEBS Lett, 447: 303.
Tomarelli RM, Bernhart FW (1947). A bioassay for protein and protein digests. J Nutr, 33: 263-272.

Ask this to NASA while you're at it...
Why are there flying saucers in the sky?
Where did we really come from?

Poor examples man. I'm not "hiding". You wanted specific examples and here you go. I'll use myself as one too. I really don't think you could gain all that weight at one time do you? Have you? :confused:

a flip flopper lmfao i havent seen that term used since the kerry bush elections

Of course I'm bustin your balls now because this is fucking rediculous. Trust me, between heresay from you and my future DC trainer, John Parrillo, and a thousand scientists, I'm sorry... :D

And might I add that I wish the top posters contest was still in effect because I can only hope for debates like this to rep my post count!!





BTW-I win :cool:

Never touched steroids only because I didn't want the hastle. As for diverticulitis, it was because I wasn't getting the amount of fiber I needed. Picture eating 300 or so grams of protein a day-Mostly red meat, chicken, ect. My only shakes were morning ;) , pre-post, and maybe one right before bed. My fiber was a can of veggies and a bowl of cereal.

On a side note, TAURUS do you agree with this assessment: Right before bed, it's more beneficial to also take in 3 grams of fiber with your last protein shake before bed because it slows down the digestive process, giving you longer protein balance while you sleep.

BTW, I hardly ever cut and paste. I only do that for you when you need sources or studies...Which happens to be most of the time. Most of my knowledge I happen to back up and find specifics on it. ie-7 OXO thread.

You loose-

I thought about that at first. I've been training on my own since the beginning, picking up knowledge here and there just like everyone else. A few weeks ago I decided that I've been basically on a plateau for almost a year now. Think about it, most bodybuilders goal is to build more muscle and drop the bodyfat. If you don't gain more than 20 pounds a year of muscle then I think it's a waste of a year. Well, my bodyfat is still hovering around 17-18-19% and my muscle mass has remained. Yeah, strength has shot up every workout, but that's not what I want. SOOOO, why not enlist some help with some guys who know their shit up and down? I love the DC training I'm doing, but I'll be the first to admit that I don't really know a whole lot about actual dieting, or forming a precise plan according to my strengths/weaknesses; Hardly anyone does and that IS a fact. So, I'm 25 and why not take in all the knowledge I can to get the biggest I can naturally...

Well getting back on the subject, I take morning and before bed. Hey it's only money. and I agree with 0311

HHHHHAAAAAAAAA!

I win...Another one bites the dust :eek:

man, now I'm never gonna win the highest-poster challenge w/ you two guys going at it! :(

Don't worry, Sleazy said that it was discontinued. He's basing it on something else now...Like who beats TAURUS! Ha-Ha; Dr.X sides with me!
What.......What!

O311 - Your game is fuckin weak. TAURUS is walking all over you!

You didn't read it after all, perhaps adhd??

If you read my Max-OT journal in the first place, it says that my joints can only handle about 3 weeks of it before they self-destruct. Oh, well can't win them all. As for the HST journal-I lost 10 pounds and 40 lbs off my bench...Reason enough to drop it. Now I'm doing DC. I've been doing it for a few weeks and love it. The point is that I wanted to find something that's hard, interesting, and not as hard on the joints. The Max-OT also needed a partiner to accomplish most of the lifts. Make sure to not just breeze through my journal and make observations without actually reading into what I put. Max-OT is good for 2-3 weeks. It's mainly for strength. Of course mass comes quick within the first few weeks of the program, which is what I got.

Thats right Bleach. We're at your back TAURUS :D

Ladies and gentlemen, this is TAURUS at his finest! 33 years old, sitting at his computer, logging in with different people to try and teach me a lesson...Too bad noone agrees with you :( :D

Damn! is this gonna turn into a bar fight? 0311's got his guys, Taurus has got his guys. Next, someone is gonna ask someone to "step outside". Next thing you know Motorcycle Boy is back in town.

...bg

(anyone catch the obsure reference?)

*obscure

Who would've thought that a simple vitamin questiuons could lead to a (at least) 5-page thread....!! :eek:

Ummm Brad...If there was a brawl, TAURUS and his two imaginary friends would be outnumbered ;)

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alright looks like debate is over. god i wish i didnt go to sleep lastnight so early it could of been fun to watch this. anyway yea im going to try shake in morning thing now and see if i have any multivitamins around

thanks for sharing that i would regularly skip breakfast thinkin wow i just saved all those calories but later on before lunch id end up eating a snickers or other candy

I also eat before I workout so I do have food in my stomach. I'll be more specific next time.

I just got done reading everything... funny stuff but I just cant help but wonder.. do you people ever go out? :p

well guys im gunna be honest with u...im jacked and i take protien shakes after i work out and my multivitamin in the night so i have a multi supply of vitamins all night long when im shackin up with a local hotty. as far as how much protien u can take in at one time ive heard 50 grams is the limit but then again i think it varies from person to person basically like everything else (was this even what the debate was about) ive taken in way over 50 grams of protien at one time though and one of my protien shakes (on's whey) has like 23 grams of protien and with milk well its 31 grams.

i never leave im amish and im not allowed to be exposed to modern technology... :D