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Old 08-10-2007, 11:57 AM   #21
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I know that I would be considered overweight even though I'm prolly in better shape than many other people out there, but I agree with the BMI scale if it measured how much a person eats because I eat a truckload of food everyday, more so than the "average" person

besides, I'm sure those of us on the forum who work towards getting into better physical condition, injuries or not, have a motivational aspect. I mean, if my whole goal was to be better than the average Joe, I would accomplish that goal within a few weeks, then slack off because there's no more goal. I know that I continually compare myself to the people in better condition than I am so that I always feel like I need to get better. If I compare myself to Mr. Smith who just picked up a barbell for the first time in his life, I would get either lazy or stagnant on my lifts.


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Old 08-10-2007, 12:04 PM   #22
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Good point. I was actually going to say the exact same thing but I didn't want to get all philsophical.

You know I have a lot of friends who don't work out. They have their things and I have mine. Lots of people have a passion for something and many of them feel that their passion improves them. But if you feel that what you do is what you are then that's just from ego. I know that my friends are much more dedicated to their "things" then I could ever be, and vice versa.

But to be better than a burned out slob with no passion for anything? May as well take up macrame. You'd still be ahead of that guy.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 08-10-2007, 12:25 PM   #23
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I wasnt speaking in terms of injuries, when i read his post, that seemed like a side note compared to the rest of the average person stuff. I'll agree with you on the injury stuff, when you've pulled/broken/torn something, thats not the time to think your superman. I would obviously take the same passion with me to physical therapy that I would to daily lifting, but with much more caution of course.

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Old 08-10-2007, 03:43 PM   #24
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If I can't OHP 115lbs without shoulder pain or discomfort, its not because its too heavy for me. If I was squatting 425 for working sets of 5 and now I'm doing 315 for the same, then thats a serious setback. The average person is weak and small. Christ, I'm overweight if you look at my bodyweight compared to the average.
Just to clarify, because I feel that my post has been misinterpreted. I don't think I have superhuman shoulders or joints and that injuries will not occur. I'm aware of the danger associated with imbalances, poor form, etc. Let me explain my quote.

The OHP comment was said because when I told the girl I couldn't even do 115lbs without discomfort (which is a very manageable weight for me) she said, "well thats alot of weight, maybe its too much for you/your joints"...She deals with people that weigh 115lbs and is using their abilities to determine what a 'heavy' weight would be for me.


The squat comment was made because of what Hardgain mentioned. An off day, is an off day. And if it just so happens that I'm still stronger than half the gym, its still an off day.

Lastly the overweight comment was in reference to the BMI and other associated scales but I couldn't remember the name of it so I just said I was overweight compared to the average person.

To be honest I wasn't really referring to injuries at all, it merely happened to be in one of my examples, and I didn't want to keep trying to re-explain myself for fear of looking like an even bigger idiot.

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Old 08-10-2007, 05:14 PM   #25
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Well I'm glad you re-explained yourself

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The OHP comment was said because when I told the girl I couldn't even do 115lbs without discomfort (which is a very manageable weight for me) she said, "well thats alot of weight, maybe its too much for you/your joints"...She deals with people that weigh 115lbs and is using their abilities to determine what a 'heavy' weight would be for me.
Well that makes more sense. Now I know where the frustration comes from.

This is pretty much the problem we are always going to run into in terms of "professionals". Physiotherapists, doctors such as orthodedists, all sorts of other things.

To stay on the physical therapy example because it's the easiest. Your typical physical therapist's job is to return people to "normal functioning". Unless it is a sports physiotherapist, or some one who has specialized training, knowledge and interest, most of them don't necessarily know thing one about strength training. Their job is not to return people to weights, after all, but to return the average joe to average functioning. As such they can be subject to the same prejudices and misconceptions about lifting weights as other people. In fact, lots of them have no interest in vigorous exercise, per se.

You kind of expect someone who is a physical therapist to know about these things but they can have very misguided notions. Plus, you know, they tend to see the bad results of weightlifting instead of the good ones so having no other real reference, their ideas can be formed from that. It's more frustrating coming from a therapist but if you realize she really doesn't KNOW anything about what you do, it may not be any worse than it coming from a typical person who misundertands resistance training.

Really it's the whole use of the word 'average' in general that threw me off track. She said average to mean one thing, you said it to mean another, lol.

As far as the guys in the gym and off days. What can you say? You know off day's are part of it and setbacks are part of it. But I doubt those guys mean any harm. They are attempting to say something helpful that sounds really stupid..but you know it's the thought that counts, even if it's the complete wrong thing. Sometimes it's just better of people to say nothing, lol. But it's probably your mood on that day more than anything else that makes it piss you off.

I hope all that was more on point BTW, I wasn't trying to make you look like an idiot. I was honestly concerned about your frustration, I just misinterpreted it.
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Old 08-10-2007, 05:24 PM   #26
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^^ I understand what you're saying and I agree with it. Sometimes things just push our buttons and, looking back its no big deal, but in that moment it can be. But we're on the same page now bro
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Old 08-10-2007, 05:26 PM   #27
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Hey you know me. I don't believe in carrying around anger and frustration. It's never come to any good in my life. So a lot of times what I say is geared toward that
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