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10-13-2006, 04:11 PM
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Actually the concept of the flood is only one story people use to explain away the flood. Israel is not a concept but but an actuall country that was actually established as the nation of Israel by Kind David even though they had occupied the land for the prior 400 years. You have been watching to much Discovery Channel I think the only thing wrong with the original post is the wise men were from persia, not mesopotamia. | |
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10-13-2006, 04:25 PM
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Gender: | Explain to me how the Bible was so accurate about Jesus if it's so off base. Odds of Jesus filling the prophecies: The odds of Jesus fulfilling 48 of the 61 major prophecies concerning Him are 1 in 10157; that is a one with 157 zeros behind it. By comparison, the estimated number of electrons in the entire known universe is about 1079; that is a one with 79 zeros behind it. Prophecies of the Bible Virgin Birth Prophecy Isaiah 7:14, "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel." Note: the Jews who translated the Septuagint (Greek Translation of the Hebrew Old Testament) translated Isaiah 7:14 as the word virgin, not young maiden. Matt. 1:18,25, "This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary...was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit... But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus." Born in Bethlehem Micah 5:2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times." Matt. 2:1, "After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem." Preceded by a messenger Isaiah 40:3, "A voice of one calling: 'In the desert prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God.'" Matt. 3:1-2, "In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the Desert of Judea and saying, 'Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.'" Side Pierced Zech. 12:10, "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one mourns for an only son." John 19:34, "Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water." Crucifixion Psalm 22:16-18, "a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing." Luke 23:33, "When they came to the place called the Skull, there they crucified him, along with the criminals -- one on his right, the other on his left." John 19:33, "But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs." John 19:23-24, "When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes..they said to one another. "Let's decide by lot who will get it." This happened that the scripture might be fulfilled which said, "They divided my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing." So this is what the soldiers did." Scientific Accuracies in the Bible The spherical shape of the earth (Isaiah 40:22). The earth is suspended in nothing (Job. 26:7). The stars are innumerable (Gen. 15:5). The existence of valleys in the seas (2 Sam. 22:16). The existence of springs and fountains in the sea (Gen. 7:11; 8:2; Prov. 8:28). The existence of water paths (ocean currents) in the seas (Psalm 8:8). The water cycle (Job. 26:8; 36:27-28; 37:16; 38:25-27; Ps. 135:7; Ecc. 1:6-7). The fact that all living things reproduce after their own kind (Gen. 1:21; 6:19). The nature of health, sanitation, and sickness (Gen. 17:9-14; Lev. 12-14). The concept of entropy, that energy is running down (Psalm 102:26). |
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10-13-2006, 04:31 PM
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Gender: | Dr X I was an ancient history major. You're wrong in your interpretation of the 'nation of Israel". I never say anything I haven't thoroughly researched or been educated in. I've written thesises on these subjects. I've read numerous books on these subjects, including the subject of the Gnostic gospels (I'm counting 3 books on my shelf on the Gnostics) long before "The Da Vinci Code" and all that shit. It may come as a surprise to know that the discovery channel is not at the cutting edge of the archaelogical grapevine and I don't appreciate you charaterisation of my post. Before you insult me, your should research more thoroughly what you said about the original post. More than likely I've offended your Religious sensibilities. That and you don't like me. Therefore everything I say is either something from TV or something I've "googled". As I've said before the "Nation of Israel" were a people, not a country. Kind David can indeed be said to have founded a Nation in that he united the tribes of Judah. But he didn't "start a country of Israel. Theres a difference. I don't understand you sentence about the flood. As for the rest of my comments about the original post I think you are quite mistaken in your belief that the original post is true except for the wise men. I think the writer was qute correct in his interpretations in my second post on the subject. If you have arguments against it go ahead and post them. I doubt you can find any valid arguments to back up your claim on this except for more quotes from the bible. But don't belittle my arguments in the way you have. It's baseless and unproductive. If you need to insult me then why don't you pm me and get it off your chest. I am not going to get into a religious discussion with you. You have things to say then say them. If you are secure in your religous beliefs then nothing I have said should really hurt you. BTW, I don't know what the point of your second post was at all so I can't much comment on it if I wanted to. Last edited by EricT; 10-13-2006 at 05:09 PM. |
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10-13-2006, 04:36 PM
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| Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 3-5 Years  Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas
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10-13-2006, 04:49 PM
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Gender: | i am horrible with dates. dont ask me to verify. but i do remember stories all too well. and i know what ur saying is right coz i remember my history book. |
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10-13-2006, 05:13 PM
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Gender: | Wow, you sure read a lot into that. I have no idea where you got the idea I don’t like you or was trying to insult you. Did the discovery channel comment cut to the bone or something? I don’t expect you to drop your beliefs but I did think it would make a good discussion. I’m not sure what your concept of a country is since during the time of King Solomon Israel was basically the superpower of that era that lead the world in trade and commerce and kings from all over not to mention the Queen of Sheba traveled just to hear what Solomon had to say. By the way Judah was only one tribe, which composed the Southern Kingdom, which included the tribe of Benjamin known as Judah while the Northern tribe, which was eventually conquered by the Assyrians, was comprised by the other 10 tribes. No David did not start the country, it was already occupied by the Hebrews for 400 years prior, he united them and from that day forward they were known as Israel. |
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10-13-2006, 05:29 PM
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Your correct of course that there was only one tribe called the tribe of Judah in the literal sense. The 12 tribes, however, are quite commonly known collectively as "the tribes of Israel" and the 'tribes of Judah" refer to those living in the southern kingdom, i.e. Judah, Benjamin and the Levis which eventually blended into a single people. It's a shorthand used by theologans and historians alike. Maybe your comment got my goat because I remember struggling to write papers like "Israel as a Scholarly Construct" while going to school full time, working two jobs, and playing in a band  And no, Anuj, I don't remember most of it. It's ancient history  . This stuff is extremely convoluted and prof. historians and bible scholars don't even agree on it all. From my studies and from the many different ways the term "Israel" is used in the bible, I simply do not believe that it is an actual historical thing in the sense it is traditionally thougt.Last edited by EricT; 10-13-2006 at 08:00 PM. | |
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10-13-2006, 08:47 PM
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We can look all the way back to the birth of Christ - 2000 yrs ago - but we try not to except it all . GOD only knows how long our world has been around, sure scientists say they know. But we do know that the NEW WORLD has been around for 200 + yrs. The Indians were here for how long ? They lived in peace for how long ? We don't know. Do we ? What I have said is just talk. and it jumps around a bit...oh well. | |
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10-13-2006, 09:33 PM
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