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Old 10-14-2006, 10:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Dude that's like saying someone gets all there ideas from a comic book. I don't get you at all. If you didn't want me to "read into it" then why say it? Any reason at all? Honestly it makes no sense to me that you would want to poke little jabs and then if someone pokes back you ask why and then try to sneak in more.

Your correct of course that there was only one tribe called the tribe of Judah in the literal sense. The 12 tribes, however, are quite commonly known collectively as "the tribes of Israel" and the 'tribes of Judah" refer to those living in the southern kingdom, i.e. Judah, Benjamin and the Levis which eventually blended into a single people. It's a shorthand used by theologans and historians alike. Maybe your comment got my goat because I remember struggling to write papers like "Israel as a Scholarly Construct" while going to school full time, working two jobs, and playing in a band And no, Anuj, I don't remember most of it. It's ancient history . This stuff is extremely convoluted and prof. historians and bible scholars don't even agree on it all. From my studies and from the many different ways the term "Israel" is used in the bible, I simply do not believe that it is an actual historical thing in the sense it is traditionally thougt.
The history channel comment I guess came to me since everything you said or posted I heard verbatim on the history channel which often makes me wonder about our higher learning facilities anymore.

However I guess by your post it never was intended to argue that there was an ark, or a tower of babel, lions den, garden of eden and so on but location. So I would have to assume these facts are accepted and the where is in dispute. Otherwise why would anyone waste time on a fictional argument.

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Old 10-15-2006, 08:18 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Whatever man. I doubt very much that EVERYTHING I've said has been on the history channel but I'm sure some of it was. I didn't write most of the posts. I don't understand what you are getting at by the rest of what you said but what's a waste of time or not for someone is not really your call. You caught me on a bad day and pushed my buttons a little. I try to think before I speak, usually. I certainly don't say everything that comes to my mind. I welcome any kind of disagreement but I do expect to be treated with the same respect I treat others. So if you have to convey disrespect in order to disagree, I'd rather you ignore me all together. But I certainly won't give you any kind of power over me in the future.

Looking over what I wrote trying to figure out where I got it all, it occured to me that the story about the people predicting future events I may have seen on TV. I don't remember reading it in anything. So you can try to smash the source but it doesn't matter a bit since the central point of my argument there is still a valid one. All the rest are popular topics of discussion in biblical archaeology and the like...stuff like the similarities between the biblical flood story and the Epic of Gilgamesh. So just cause you saw it on TV doesn't mean it didn't originate from valid historical arguments.

Don't know what you mean about higher learning facilities. Most documentaries have interviews (with "experts") as their basic source material. That source material is then developed and expanded upon. It almost seems like you're saying that higher learning facilities are borrowing from cable shows. The only time that happens is when the class is about popular culture or what have you. The shows, assuming they are using scholarly sources, which is not always the case, are borrowing from sources of higher education. If somebody has an educational background that they base some views on and you see examples of those view later on TV that doesn't mean the education is invalid. So in terms of higher learning I don't think there is anything to be concerned about on those terms.

So I'm pretty much done with all this. It's all been pretty pointless and I think it's time to move on.

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