Iraq history - Bodybuilding Discussion on Bodybuilding.net Open Conversation

Darkhorse · 08-11-2006, 07:26 PM

Subject: Iraq history

Read all of this one, it is interesting!!
Read down to the Make sure that you read the
very bottom highlighted in green , you don't
want to miss this!

VERY INTERESTING-

1.The Garden of Eden was in Iraq.

2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq , was
the cradle of civilization!

3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.

4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq.

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in
Southern Iraq!

6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor,
which is in Iraq !

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq .

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq .

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten
tribes of Israel .

10. Amos cried out in Iraq !

11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed
Jerusalem.

12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq !

13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire
in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the
fourth person in the Fiery furnace!)

14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the
"writing on the wall" in Iraq .

15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried
the Jews captive into Iraq .

16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq .

17. The wise men were from Iraq

18. Peter preached in Iraq .

19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation
is called Babylon, which was a city in Iraq !

And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the
nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do
you know which nation is second? It is Iraq!
However, that is not the name that is used in the
Bible The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land
of Shinar, and Mesopotamia . The word Mesopotamia
means between the two rivers, more exactly between
the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq,
means country with deep roots.

Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is
a very significant country in the Bible.

No other nation, except Israel, has more history
and prophecy associated it than Iraq.

And also, This is something to think about!

Since America is typically represented by an eagle.
Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages
...

The following verse is from the Koran,

(the Islamic Bible)

Koran (9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of
Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath
of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands
of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled
in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of
the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah;

and there was peace.

(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?!

Eric3237 · 08-11-2006, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Noah built the ark in Iraq.

The story of Noah in the Bible is acually a re-telling of an flood story from ancient Mesopotamian texts...thousands of years before. A great number of the stories in the Bible are in fact adopted from old Mesopotamianin stories.

Israel has only been an actual place since 1947. Before that the "Nation of Israel was more of a concept and spoke of a people rather than a place. On the other had Mesopotamia was an actual place on the map, so to speak and the people who were later know as Jews came out of Mesopotamia. Abraham, for instance came out of the city of Ur and took along his household God, Yaweh, which later became the God of the Jews.

But the citystates of Mesopotamia existed for thousands of years before Israel and the roots of Israel are bound up in it. Similarly, many Egyptian traditions were borrowed. The whole point being that the Mesopotamia and Israel are not two separate things but are bound up together.

verbatimreturned · 08-11-2006, 07:58 PM

Interesting stuff

Eric3237 · 08-12-2006, 11:41 AM

Yes it is. These "prophecies after the fact" are nothing new. They've been going on for as long as I can remember. It's easy to find patterns that vaguely fit in with events AFTER THEY UNFOLD. Especially when so much of the "fact" you base it on is bullshit like that above. But all the predictors such as ancient religuous texts, the so-called Bible code, and "prophets" like Nostadamus NEVER predict anything beforehand. When they do I'll take them more seriously.

Interestingly there are figures in history that seemed to predict events exactly as they would happen. But they go ignored because they were not talking about THE END IF THE WORLD. People seem to have a hard-on for the END TIMES.

And even when people have seemed to predict things it is easy to interpret it as pure luck. There was the personal doctor to the Pope in France a long time ago that predicted the black plugue was coming. DUH! Good guess that one. Of course the plague is coming. Or the guy in Egypt who predicted for the Pharoah that a great drought and famine would come, thus allowing time to store food and save the people. A drought in Egypt? Go figure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Bratcher

The following [above] began as a chain letter and is now circulating via the internet and e-mail. I have seen it quoted on numerous Christian web sites, and repeated in various forms by word of mouth as if everything in it were the truth. Besides some of it simply being false, there are a great many assumptions about God and the Bible at work here that are not sound Christian theology.

Here is a more detailed analysis of this particular urban legend as it became blended with a lot of folk theology to illustrate how a few facts can be distorted and twisted when mixed with misinformation, assumption, prejudice, and outright falsehood.

1. The garden of Eden was in Iraq.

False. No one knows where the Garden of Eden was. The Bible nowhere gives a location for it other than “in the East.” Of course, where that is depends on where one starts. From Israel, that could be anywhere from Arabia to China. But since Israel does not yet exist in Genesis 2, there is no guarantee that “east” is from Israel.

Further, this assumes that “east” is a geographical comment. In many cases in the Old Testament, such simple indications of direction or location are far more symbolic than they are geographical. “East” is often a way to speak of threat or failure, and coming "from the East" is a way to talk about hope and possibility. Note that when Adam and Eve are driven from the garden they go to the east. Cain must live in the east as punishment for killing his brother. When Lot separates from Abram, he moves to the east. Abraham sent his other sons (besides Isaac) to the east country. There are other examples that all suggest that “east” is not a geographical location as much as it is a way of talking about failure or promise.

Some have suggested that since Eden is mentioned in Scripture along with the Tigris and Euphrates rivers this clearly locates Eden in Iraq.

2:10 A river flows out of Eden to water the garden, and from there it divides and becomes four branches. 2:11 The name of the first is Pishon; it is the one that flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; 2:12 and the gold of that land is good; bdellium and onyx stone are there. 2:13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one that flows around the whole land of Cush. 2:14 The name of the third river is Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

Several things need to be noted here.

a) There is only one river in Eden. It is only when it flows out of Eden that it divides and “from there” becomes four rivers. That would suggest, if we are dealing with physical description here, that Eden was described as being located at the head waters of the two rivers, which would place Eden somewhere in the mountains of Armenia or Southern Turkey south or east of the Black Sea.

b) The geographical location for the Tigris is not clear since the Tigris runs through the middle of ancient Assyria, not to its east. It is possible that only the city of Asshur, the 15th century BC capital of ancient Assyria, is meant. But that raises an entirely different problem of chronology since that city would not exist for several thousand years after the setting of the Genesis account.

c) The identity of Pishon is uncertain. Pishon only occurs here in the Old Testament. It is associated with “the land of Havilah” and that area along with Ophir, a near legendary source of gold, is mentioned elsewhere in the Old Testament as being in Arabia (Gen 10:7, 29, 25:18, 1 Sam 15:7, 1 Ch 1:9, 23). That suggests that Pishon may be located generally in the area of Arabia. It may refer to the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea or more narrowly the Gulf of Aqaba or the Gulf of Suez, the River of Egypt (Wadi el-Arish), or some unknown river in Arabia.

d) The identity of Gihon is likewise uncertain. It is mentioned as flowing around the area of Cush. Elsewhere in the Old Testament Cush refers to the area of Northern Africa generally from Ethiopia to eastern Egypt (for example, 2 Chron 16:8, Psa 68:31; in most cases modern English translation of cush is “Ethiopia”). That suggests that Gihon refers to the Nile. In some genealogies, Cush is the father of Nimrod, who is the ancestral founder of Nineveh, the later Assyrian capital. That suggests connections between north Africa and Mesopotamia, at least on the level of relationships between peoples. However, it gives us no geographical information.

e) Large rivers like these do not usually divide; they usually come together to form larger rivers. Some have suggested that this places Eden near the mouth of the four rivers where they empty into the Persian Gulf. This would place Eden somewhere near Bahrain, or on one of the islands in the Persian Gulf.

f) All of this assumes that the description of Eden is to be taken literally and is accurate in its geographical description. That evokes a certain view of Scripture that raises several questions. Why would Eden be described in terms of general geographic landmarks known to the Israelites in 1200 BC when the time setting of the story is many thousands of years earlier? Would that not suggest that the ancient Hebrews and Israelites were describing Eden in terms of locations with which they were already familiar? Is it at least possible that the ancient Israelites did not know ancient Near Eastern geography precisely, so that they were roughly bounding an area rather than giving precise and literal descriptions? How would they know the precise geography, unless we posit a certain theory of biblical inspiration and then use that theory as a basis for interpreting the material rather than using what we actually have in the biblical text from which to work?

g) The best conclusion that we can reach from the evidence is that we have no idea within a thousand miles and two continents what location is being described in Genesis 2. Maybe that is the point of the description, not to locate Eden at all but rather to place it somewhere within the immediate known world of the Ancient Near East.

h) It seems that the description of Eden is intended to locate it generally within a world with which the ancient Israelites were familiar, yet without precision. Since we have no way to identify precisely the location from the description, it seems that any interpretation of the Bible that depends on such precise location is pointless and driven by other agendas than sound biblical interpretation.

2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!

False, or at least debatable. This was the consensus of early historians, and was taught as the truth in schools until the past few decades. However, recent archaeological and anthropological research now suggest that the first human civilization originated in central Africa in the rift valleys and in northwest Africa in the area of Nigeria. And even if it were true that Mesopotamia is “the cradle of civilization,” I do not see the significance or the relevance to any interpretation of the Bible in relation to modern Iraq.

3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.

False. Nowhere in the biblical account of the flood does it state where the ark was built.

4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq.

Partly True. The biblical story only talks about the territory of Babel (along with Erech and Accad, from the later Akkadians, 2400 BC) and locates it in the Plain of Shinar (from the ancient Sumerians, 3500-1900 BC), which is roughly the territory between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. Those two rivers run from southeastern Turkey and western Syria to the Persian Gulf bordered by Iran and Kuwait, quite a distance. While there is no direct historical link of Babel in Genesis 11 to Babylonia, the city of Erech and the area of Akkad are thought to be located toward the southern end of the Tigris-Euphrates valley. This would place Babel in what in now southern Iraq. However, it could be further to the north. However, the significance of this in this context likewise eludes me.

In any case this neglects the theological dimension of the narrative in Genesis 11, written long after the events described there after Babylon had already become a symbol for chaos and arrogant rejection of God.

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!

Partially True. The ruins of Ur are located in what is now southern Iraq. However, while this was Abraham’s ancestral home, something important in the ancient world, he is often referenced in the biblical narratives as being from Haran in the region of Aram, far to the north in what is now Turkey. Terah took his family and left Ur very early in the biblical narratives. Abraham received his call from God in Genesis 12:4 at Haran. Note that Deuteronomy 26:5 says that “my father” (referring to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) was “a wandering Aramean.” The city of Ur has only marginal significance in the biblical narratives.

6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq.

Partially True. First, we need to note that in most of the early patriarchal narratives, people and places are interchangeable. Abraham was from Haran, yet that was also his brother’s name. His other brother was Nahor. This suggests that we cannot make too much of geographical names in the early narratives.

The city itself is not specifically named; it is only given as “the city of Nahor.” The location of this city is unknown. The biblical reference only places it in Aram-naharayim, “Aram of the Two Rivers.” The assumption is that this would be the ancestral home near Ur, but the reference is only to the general area of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Again, I fail to see any significance to this other than the fact that it was the ancient custom to marry within tribes, which would require returning to the ancestral homeland for a wife. Nothing is made in any of these biblical narratives of any particular significance of the geographical location.

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

False. Jacob went to the territory of Aram, specifically Paddam-aram, which is the area around Haran in southern Turkey and northern Syria. Laban, Rachael’s father, is specifically said to live in Paddam-aram and is described as an Aramean. This is far to the north of present-day Iraq.

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.

Partially True. Ninevah was the capital of the Assyrian empire in the eighth and seventh centuries BC, which occupied the upper reaches of the Tigris-Euphrates valley, partially in modern Iraq and partially in southern Turkey. The ruins of the city lie near Mosul in far northern Iraq. However, Assyrian territory extended beyond the border of present-day Iraq.

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel.

Partially True. Assyria did conquer the northern ten tribes in 721 BC. But as noted above, the Assyrian Empire lay only partially in what is now Iraq, reaching further north than the present boundaries of Iraq.

10. Amos cried out in Iraq!

False. Amos proclaimed his message in the northern kingdom of Israel. There is no mention of him ever visiting any area outside Judah and Israel. There is not even a record of his pronouncing any prophetic word against either Assyria or Babylon.

11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem. . . .

True but misleading. All of these references to Babylon as being in Iraq are misleading at best. Iraq covers a much larger or different area than did ancient Sumer, Akkad, Assyria, or Babylon. It is virtually meaningless to try to identify any and every mention of Babylon in the Old Testament as being in Iraq, especially since Iraq has only been in existence for 70 years or so, and in some sense is a totally “artificial” country created by the demands of 20th century politics.

12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq!

See #11.

13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq

See #11.

(Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the fiery furnace!

False. To identify the figure in the furnace as Jesus is anachronistic. There is no Jesus named anywhere in the Old Testament. It is only by interpretation that we get any references to or about Jesus in the Old Testament, and those are always colored by certain theological slants.

Also, the construction of this verse in Daniel 3:25 in Aramaic does not specifically imply “the son of God.” It is an idiomatic phrase that emphasizes resemblance. Note the NRSV translation: “. . . and the fourth has the appearance of a god.” The implication in this context is that the presence of God was with the three Hebrew men, an important point to make to a king who has presented himself as a god to be worshipped.

14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.

See #11.

15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.

See #11.

16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

See #11. It is not at all clear from the Book of Ezekiel that he is actually in Babylon, although it is likely.

17. The wise men were from Iraq.

False. The biblical text never says where the Magi were from beyond saying that they came “from the East.” See # 1 on the biblical symbolism of "the East."

18. Peter preached in Iraq.

False. There is no mention of Peter visiting this area.

19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon, which was a city in Iraq!

See #11.

And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq! However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia. The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.

False. Egypt is mentioned almost three times as often in the Bible as is Babylon. See #11.

Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.

False. Iraq is never mentioned in the Bible, so can have no significance. See #11. (Folks, Iraq is a modern country that simply SITS on the same land and the ancient city-states of Mesopotamia- E)

No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated it than Iraq.

False. As noted, Egypt is mentioned far more often than Babylon. Israel has a far longer history with Egypt than with Babylon, since Babylon did not emerge until the fall of Assyria in 611 BC. In the NT, Babylon has become a symbol to talk about evil, and is used throughout the NT to refer to Rome, not to any country in the Middle East. “Babylon” throughout the Book of Revelation refers to Rome. (This is absolutely true-E)

And also... This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages... The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible) (Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?! God Bless you all Amen !

Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

False. This is a total hoax. From Snopes, a web site that debunks hoaxes and urban legends:

Claim: Quranic verse speaks of the "wrath of the Eagle cleansing the lands of Allah."

Status: False.

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2003]

Quran (9:11) -- For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

Origins: No, this isn't a legitimate quotation from the Quran (or Koran), the sacred text of Islam. The chapter and verse citation quoted above is a leg-pull, an obvious play on the USA's (the Eagle) launching of military action against Afghanistan and Iraq (the "lands of Allah") in response to the September 11 terrorist attacks on America organized by Osama bin Laden (the "son of Arabia awakening a fearsome eagle"). That the chapter and verse selection match the date of the terrorist attacks (9:11) is another giveaway to the joke.

Depending upon which translation of the Quran one uses, the section corresponding to chapter 9, verse 11 actually reads something like this:

But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.

The actual text of this section of the Qu'ran can be read at the University of Virginia's site: Qu'ran "Chapter" 9.

This illustrates how strongly held opinions can be mixed with bad biblical interpretation, emotion, and ill-conceived theology to produce something that is essentially fiction. In fact, since it is being presented as a Christian biblical view it is worse than fiction; it is outright propaganda and most of it false at that. What makes that so bad is that too many Christians are not only believing this kind of material but are basing political and ethical responses on it.

All of this calls for much more careful critical evaluation of material that is circulated on the internet or by e-mail as the latest truth about world affairs, political candidates, or ethical issues. At the very least, Christians should approach such material with a large dose of skepticism. A better approach would be to get their basic biblical and theological information from more reputable sources than web sites and e-mail (and that includes this site; it was never intended that this site should provide information apart from the ministry of a church or local congregation).

It might also suggest the need for a great deal of humility in prayer seeking the guidance of God in developing opinions and attitudes, lest we end up doing harm to God and the Kingdom rather than living as a servant of God to others. If we are not careful, we may be spreading more darkness than we are spreading light.

Darkhorse · 08-12-2006, 12:46 PM

Well, still mostly either partially true's or true but misleading! LOL

Good stuff!

Kinda glad to see a lot of this stuff may not be in Iraq..In that case, it would be called "Cradle of filth" not "cradle of civilization"

Eric3237 · 08-12-2006, 01:40 PM

LOL, that shit contains outright lies as well as half truths. All the stuff in it was found and collated from the internet. Bad idea. The verse about the Eagle is just made up! And I would point out that the Eagle as a religuous and political symbol is ancient. In some instances it represents "divine providence". The two-headed eagle was big in the Byzantine Empire and other cultures accross time.

We tend to attribute EVERYTHING to ourselves. We didn't invent anything. It's all been done before.

One of the biggest problems is people taking erything in religious writings literally.

Darkhorse · 08-12-2006, 04:11 PM

Quote:

One of the biggest problems is people taking erything in religious writings literally

Couldn't agree with you MORE!

All the writings back then were sexist to begin with (not that I'm complaining). Case in point, I was reading this interesting National Geographic article about the Gospel of Judas, and it talked about Mary Magdeline being married to Jesus, and most of the other gospels wrote her as a prostitute instead because they were jealous. That's kinda why I don't take anything religiously written to heart. You could have ten seperate writers describing their own accounts of the same event, and they will all turn out differently according to the beliefs at the time, and the author's own emotions....

Eric3237 · 08-12-2006, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0311

Case in point, I was reading this interesting National Geographic article about the Gospel of Judas, and it talked about Mary Magdeline being married to Jesus, and most of the other gospels wrote her as a prostitute instead because they were jealous.

Dude, that is a very interesting and illuminating point. I'll probably get linched for this but as you say some of gospel writings had Mary Magdeline as a prostitute but some of the other ones had her as a disciple, or if not a disciple then as a very close follower and confidant of Jesus. And some people have proposed she was Jesus's wife or at least mate but I don't think any of the other gospels actually come out and say this. To a lot of christians it's scandalous to think of her as his wife but at the time the Roman Catholic Church was formed it was just as bad to think of her as a disciple!

What gospels to choose and how Mary Magdeline should be portrayed was a very concious and purposeful decision of the early Church formers. If Jesus was to be looked at as Divine (and I submit that there is much evidence that how Jesus should be looked at was ALSO a purposeful decision) then he certainly couldn't have a girl friend! But likewise a female could never be considered to be worthy of being a favorite follower of the Son of God on Earth!

Now, may the lynchings begin...

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0311

You could have ten seperate writers describing their own accounts of the same event, and they will all turn out differently according to the beliefs at the time, and the author's own emotions....

Absolutely. And the thing is if you take into account that so much of the old testament expecially (at least the stories) is retellings of other ancient stories that the authors co-opted but then changed to fit their "agenda" and all those other things you mentioned you begin to see why it just shouldn't be taken as literal in many cases. The story of creation was borrowed. The story of Noah. The list goes on. Although as a history major (ancient history) I will say that the there is a lot of history to be found there, you just have to take it with a grain of salt.

TALO · 10-12-2006, 05:30 PM

a bit

So how do we know what to beleive ? We don't, all we can do is go off of what we feel. People say that Jesus was the savior, and he was, to the Christians.Now there has to be so many different kinds. Why? because some people don't agree with other people. What about Mosses, did he not save the Jew's from the Hebrews? Yet they still say that their savior hasn't come yet. What about Buda, Johova(which means God), and all the other great men/women in the world that have saved someone sometime in history. Are they not worthy ? Well of course they are.

My opion. There is only one GOD. Which sends help to everyone in some form or another. God know's that not everyone will follow just one person, so he sends many men all over the world, there are so many different types of people and religion in this worls. What would happen if we could all just agree ?
Trust in yourself, believe in this world as good and have an open mind.

Eric3237 · 10-13-2006, 10:12 AM

This is off topic too and is not meant to stifle or support any belief systems but only to illustrate that there are many ways of looking at things. We tend to consider everything in terms of what happened in the last 1000 years or 2000 years...or us Americans only what happened in the last 200

. Seldom do we think about the tens of thousands of years before that.

Here is something to think about. To put things in perspective. Religious wars and hatred rarely if ever were an issue before people started becoming monotheistic. Monotheistic traditions are a flash in the pan compared to the eon's that came before so as great as it might be it is like asking people to go from horse drawn carriages to flying cars overnight. Not gonna happen. Rather than agree I think it is more realistic to ask people to simply ACCEPT.

I, personally, don't need everyone to agree with me. Only to accept me as a person and therefore accept my beliefs. And if everyone agreed we would never move forward anyway.

08-11-2006, 07:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
Darkhorse Moderator Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CA Posts: 4,006 Country: Gender:	Iraq history Subject: Iraq history Read all of this one, it is interesting!! Read down to the Make sure that you read the very bottom highlighted in green , you don't want to miss this! VERY INTERESTING- 1.The Garden of Eden was in Iraq. 2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq , was the cradle of civilization! 3. Noah built the ark in Iraq. 4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq. 5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq! 6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq ! 7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq . 8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq . 9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel . 10. Amos cried out in Iraq ! 11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem. 12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq ! 13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the Fiery furnace!) 14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq . 15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq . 16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq . 17. The wise men were from Iraq 18. Peter preached in Iraq . 19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon, which was a city in Iraq ! And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq! However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia . The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots. Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible. No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated it than Iraq. And also, This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages ... The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible) Koran (9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace. (Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?!
	Darkhorse's Sig:"The greater the development and strength of the main muscular structures of the body, the greater the size and strength potential of the small areas of the body." - Stuart McRobert Orange County Strength Club

08-12-2006, 12:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
Darkhorse Moderator Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CA Posts: 4,006 Country: Gender:	Well, still mostly either partially true's or true but misleading! LOL Good stuff! Kinda glad to see a lot of this stuff may not be in Iraq..In that case, it would be called "Cradle of filth" not "cradle of civilization"
	Darkhorse's Sig:"The greater the development and strength of the main muscular structures of the body, the greater the size and strength potential of the small areas of the body." - Stuart McRobert Orange County Strength Club

08-12-2006, 01:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
Eric3237 Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,443 Country: Gender:	LOL, that shit contains outright lies as well as half truths. All the stuff in it was found and collated from the internet. Bad idea. The verse about the Eagle is just made up! And I would point out that the Eagle as a religuous and political symbol is ancient. In some instances it represents "divine providence". The two-headed eagle was big in the Byzantine Empire and other cultures accross time. We tend to attribute EVERYTHING to ourselves. We didn't invent anything. It's all been done before. One of the biggest problems is people taking erything in religious writings literally. Last edited by Eric3237; 08-12-2006 at 01:53 PM.
	Eric3237's Sig:Anybody can talk a lot. Smart people listen... -Son's first grade teacher

10-12-2006, 05:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
TALO Rank: Lightweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Alberta , Canada Posts: 1,921 Country: Gender:	a bit So how do we know what to beleive ? We don't, all we can do is go off of what we feel. People say that Jesus was the savior, and he was, to the Christians.Now there has to be so many different kinds. Why? because some people don't agree with other people. What about Mosses, did he not save the Jew's from the Hebrews? Yet they still say that their savior hasn't come yet. What about Buda, Johova(which means God), and all the other great men/women in the world that have saved someone sometime in history. Are they not worthy ? Well of course they are. My opion. There is only one GOD. Which sends help to everyone in some form or another. God know's that not everyone will follow just one person, so he sends many men all over the world, there are so many different types of people and religion in this worls. What would happen if we could all just agree ? Trust in yourself, believe in this world as good and have an open mind. Last edited by TALO; 10-12-2006 at 05:47 PM.

10-13-2006, 10:12 AM	#10 (permalink)
Eric3237 Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,443 Country: Gender:	This is off topic too and is not meant to stifle or support any belief systems but only to illustrate that there are many ways of looking at things. We tend to consider everything in terms of what happened in the last 1000 years or 2000 years...or us Americans only what happened in the last 200 . Seldom do we think about the tens of thousands of years before that. Here is something to think about. To put things in perspective. Religious wars and hatred rarely if ever were an issue before people started becoming monotheistic. Monotheistic traditions are a flash in the pan compared to the eon's that came before so as great as it might be it is like asking people to go from horse drawn carriages to flying cars overnight. Not gonna happen. Rather than agree I think it is more realistic to ask people to simply ACCEPT. I, personally, don't need everyone to agree with me. Only to accept me as a person and therefore accept my beliefs. And if everyone agreed we would never move forward anyway. Last edited by Eric3237; 10-13-2006 at 10:18 AM.
	Eric3237's Sig:Anybody can talk a lot. Smart people listen... -Son's first grade teacher

08-11-2006, 07:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
verbatimreturned Rank: Lightweight Experience: 2-3 Years Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: new york Posts: 1,376 Country: Gender:	Interesting stuff

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode