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Old 04-15-2005, 05:30 AM   #11
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Just the other day I saw Ken Shamrock try and throw a roundhouse in the octagon, slipped, and got pummeled. .
I laughed my ass off when I saw that... no respect for the other fighter... and his footing on is standing let was not even positioned right when he threw the kick... can't wait till this weekend for the Courure and Liddell fight... oh yeah...
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Old 04-15-2005, 05:36 AM   #12
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Man that Hamster Style part of the movie nearly killed me laughing. That was some funny sh*t. Well the whole movie was funny.
"Dad, I think today I'm going to use Hamster Style"...
hahaha... priceless
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Old 04-15-2005, 05:47 AM   #13
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Ok, there are a few things i read that i have to respond to, and please dont take this the wrong way, or as a personal attack on anyone ... its my opinion so take it for what its worth (the word of god, j/k)

to say stricking arts are a waste of time is perhaps one of the most ignorant comments i've ever read. It is true, and every jujitsu practitioner is quick to point out, that 90% of all fights go to the ground. And they like thier 'ground and pound' philosophy. Good luck in a bar fight, take someone to the ground and have his friends kick you in the face for five minutes ... I've seen it happen plenty of times. 0311, your a body gaurd, you should know this.

On the other hand, the ken shamrock thing is true, i would never strike to the head with a foot, just dumb. Dixon sensei (goju) used to say, why would i pick my foot up and hit you in the head, thats like dropping down and punching your foot with my hand, how stupid.

Perhaps one of my favorite quotes is from Boyle Sensei (also goju) right after i got my brown belt (age 13) "now is a troubling time, you know just enough to get your ass seriously kicked ... "

I guess what i'm trying to say is, it is more benificial to be a well rounded practitioner and cross train then it is too be solidified in a single style or mentality. This is where jeet kun do's philosophy is derived from.

Incase you havent realized it yet, i'm very passionate about martial arts, and i enjoy talking about it. and now my book of rants is over.

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Old 04-15-2005, 09:07 AM   #14
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Ok, there are a few things i read that i have to respond to, and please dont take this the wrong way, or as a personal attack on anyone ... its my opinion so take it for what its worth (the word of god, j/k)

to say stricking arts are a waste of time is perhaps one of the most ignorant comments i've ever read. It is true, and every jujitsu practitioner is quick to point out, that 90% of all fights go to the ground. And they like thier 'ground and pound' philosophy. Good luck in a bar fight, take someone to the ground and have his friends kick you in the face for five minutes ... I've seen it happen plenty of times. 0311, your a body gaurd, you should know this.
I have to disagree with you on this hrdgain. It doesn't matter if you're an expert at stricking either in a bar. If you are kicking somebody's ass his buddies are still going to kick your ass, even though you are a grappler/striker. So, nothing will work on a group of 2 or more fighters, especially if you get sucker punched. It doesn't matter if you are a black belt in any style! Unless all of them are midgets then the odds are for ya.

We had a guy who was an expert thai boxer,Karate guy come in and fight with a brown belt. Time and time again he got his ass handed to him, his response " Okay this ground fighting does work, but how would it do against multiple opponents"? My buddy's response was "You mean to tell me if you couldn't handle just me what makes you think you could handle one or more of my friends at the same time"! That's like not being able to curl a 40lb dumbell, then going over and trying to curl another 40lb dumbell at the same time!

In a one on one fight any style will give you an edge, but it doesn't guarantee a win. There is always a chance for a luck punch, friends intervene, and let's not forget the good ole cops will arrest you. I know I almost lost my business over a situation like this!
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I forgot to add I do agree that a hybrid of striking/grappling is necessary also.
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Old 04-15-2005, 12:42 PM   #16
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" Okay this ground fighting does work, but how would it do against multiple opponents"? My buddy's response was "You mean to tell me if you couldn't handle just me what makes you think you could handle one or more of my friends at the same time"! That's like not being able to curl a 40lb dumbell, then going over and trying to curl another 40lb dumbell at the same time!
sorry snatch, i gotta disagree. The mentality of fighting mulitple attackers makes it a completely different ball game. you dont fight one person the same way you fight two, or three or four, so your analogy is skewed.

I will say that being a well rounded fighter is better then trying to master any one style. you must adapt to any situation, and do as much damage as possible as quickly as possible, then get out of that situation.

there are no rules in the street, thats why i also carry my heat
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I want to see how many martial artists we have here, what styles you study and for how long. also, how you handle cross training with wieght lifting.

I've studied, isshinryu, goju, jujitsu, aikido, kenjitsu, most recently chito ryu, and okinawan kobudo.

i'm struggling with the kobudo right now, all the weapons work makes me sore as shit for lifting days. and i have a feelling its gonna lend itself to size loss due to the amount of endurance you need to wield heavey weapons for long periods of time.
did Tae Kwon Do from elementary through middle school... got my black belt and LOVED the tournaments. got to go to jr. olympics. for my match i 'bout smashed this kids nose back inwards into his face... dude was bleeding all over the joint. they had a timeout for about 10min while they got him to stop bleeding/crying. it must've pissed him off b/c he came back and destroyed me, lol.

it was a lot of fun and it definitly is good for learning discipline, confidence, restraint, etc. there is a huge mental aspect to it all that i really miss. i would love to get back into it but i would be more interested in studying a different style
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Old 04-15-2005, 03:18 PM   #18
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sorry snatch, i gotta disagree. The mentality of fighting mulitple attackers makes it a completely different ball game. you dont fight one person the same way you fight two, or three or four, so your analogy is skewed.

I will say that being a well rounded fighter is better then trying to master any one style. you must adapt to any situation, and do as much damage as possible as quickly as possible, then get out of that situation.

there are no rules in the street, thats why i also carry my heat
How can my analogy be skewed, this is a guy who has been taught to fight multiple guys at once in his art, yet can't handle one! I don't care if anybody is a black belt in any art fighting style, taking on more than one guy and you are going to get your ass kicked plain and simple!

Even if it was a well rounded fighter taking on 2 or more guys is next to impossible. We have done it down at the academy. And not like in the movies where one guys first is fighting one guy while the others wait. This is like gang tangling in football.

Especially if the guys attacking are communicating good you are a dead. We had a guy that fought in the UFC Joe Pardo who is a big dude. Between another guy and myself we were able to neutrilize the guy an put a choke on him.

I do agree with you that you need to incorporate striking/grappling to make it complete. You don't want to become a one dimensional fighter.

And street fighting is different as you never know if the other guy has friends in the crowd, packing heat, or has a . So, it's best to avoid any street confrontations, if possible.
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Even if it was a well rounded fighter taking on 2 or more guys is next to impossible. We have done it down at the academy. And not like in the movies where one guys first is fighting one guy while the others wait. This is like gang tangling in football.

I do agree with you that you need to incorporate striking/grappling to make it complete. You don't want to become a one dimensional fighter.

And street fighting is different as you never know if the other guy has friends in the crowd, packing heat, or has a . So, it's best to avoid any street confrontations, if possible.
I know for a fact that one person can take out at least 2 people at once. I had a friend that was almost mugged.. and there was two guys... one with a and one was just look out.. the guy with the got up close to my friend to grab the money when my friend grabbed the guys hand and punted his balls into his mouth... disarmed the guy, and shoved him into the other guy and ran.. so, he technically took both out, one was incapacitated and the other couldn't get to my friend because he had the other mugger on top of him... granted it wasn't a an old school beat the crap out of both guys to teach them a lesson.. but he didn't get hurt... there are ways to take more than one person on in a street fight... If I ever get into a "street fight".. I will most likely go for need caps, and break legs.. its' not that hard and it's amazing how fast one goes down after their need cap is facing the other direction and I'm taking eye ball out.. grabbing balls and throats.. anything.. people won't fight if they lost their vision because of an eye gouge... I will never go to ground if I can help it.. getting asphalt in your skin from rolling around isn't fun.... and if your trying to put a lock on someone and his buds come up on you.. yeah .. good night.. most grappling is one on one... stand up you have a way better chance of coming out with minor damage...

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I am probably the only one in here who is good enough to use the twenty third trick in martial arts. I just stick my tail in between my legs and then turn around and run.
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