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Old 04-18-2005, 12:40 PM   #21
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Default The last UFC - Couture vs Lidell II

What did you homre's think of the last UFC? I thought the show was good -even if the main event was anti-climatic- but I wagered on Randy and lost $$$. I knew Lidell was a vicious striker, but I had not considered that he might blind Couture with by sticking his thumb right inside of Randy's right eye socket. That seemed to finish Couture, as he didn't even bother mounting a defense after that foul. The end was inevitable.

I can only assume Randy will want to go to the rubber match and try and get revenge. It's going to make for an interesting Ultimate Fighter tv series next year when they have to work together again.

Anybody else watch it?

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Old 04-18-2005, 06:43 PM   #22
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I know for a fact that one person can take out at least 2 people at once. I had a friend that was almost mugged.. and there was two guys... one with a and one was just look out.. the guy with the got up close to my friend to grab the money when my friend grabbed the guys hand and punted his balls into his mouth... disarmed the guy, and shoved him into the other guy and ran.. so, he technically took both out, one was incapacitated and the other couldn't get to my friend because he had the other mugger on top of him... granted it wasn't a an old school beat the crap out of both guys to teach them a lesson.. but he didn't get hurt... there are ways to take more than one person on in a street fight... If I ever get into a "street fight".. I will most likely go for need caps, and break legs.. its' not that hard and it's amazing how fast one goes down after their need cap is facing the other direction and I'm taking eye ball out.. grabbing balls and throats.. anything.. people won't fight if they lost their vision because of an eye gouge... I will never go to ground if I can help it.. getting asphalt in your skin from rolling around isn't fun.... and if your trying to put a lock on someone and his buds come up on you.. yeah .. good night.. most grappling is one on one... stand up you have a way better chance of coming out with minor damage...
This is the thing, most of the time a well trained fighter can take on 90% of the regular Joe's out there. I say 90% because there is always someone out there with knock out power that can sucker punch you, or get a lucky shot and you're out! You could be "Billy bad ass" and not be expecting a punch, next thing you know your waking up naked with piss all over you, wondering what happened, where am I?

Even someone like Gilbert Yvel, Vanderlei Silva, Chuck Lidell, etc. can get their clocks cleaned by one of the other guys buddies in the crowd. So, stand up versus ground doesn't even matter here, when the guy who you're fighting has buddies waiting while you're back is turned and bam! In the end it doesn't matter if you are a Pit bull, as you can still get killed by a pack of poodles attacking you all at once!

If you ever end up in a street fight it's a weird situation, where everything you say you would do if you ever got into this situation, goes out the window. You begin fighting out of pure instinct and survival. And everyday that you are in the dojo, academy, whatever kind of training comes into critical play.

One thing to like I said it's better to learn both stand up and ground techniques, you don't want to be the stand up guy that never learned ground techniques and end up on the ground with a guy that is a ground technician and now is in a better position than you to take out both your eyes or bite your nose off!

Also, you don't want to be a "ground and pound fighter" as this only works if you are fighting a guy smaller than you, and you will end up on the top. What if the guy is bigger than you, and pits you on the ground?

All in all anything can happen in a street brawl, and it's better not to get into a brawl at all if possible. Maybe hrdgain is right and it's better just to carry a gat! This way nobody dares to mess with you that night....hmmnnn.
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Old 04-19-2005, 06:26 AM   #23
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This is the thing, most of the time a well trained fighter can take on 90% of the regular Joe's out there. I say 90% because there is always someone out there with knock out power that can sucker punch you, or get a lucky shot and you're out! You could be "Billy bad ass" and not be expecting a punch, next thing you know your waking up naked with piss all over you, wondering what happened, where am I?

Even someone like Gilbert Yvel, Vanderlei Silva, Chuck Lidell, etc. can get their clocks cleaned by one of the other guys buddies in the crowd. So, stand up versus ground doesn't even matter here, when the guy who you're fighting has buddies waiting while you're back is turned and bam! In the end it doesn't matter if you are a Pit bull, as you can still get killed by a pack of poodles attacking you all at once!

If you ever end up in a street fight it's a weird situation, where everything you say you would do if you ever got into this situation, goes out the window. You begin fighting out of pure instinct and survival. And everyday that you are in the dojo, academy, whatever kind of training comes into critical play.

One thing to like I said it's better to learn both stand up and ground techniques, you don't want to be the stand up guy that never learned ground techniques and end up on the ground with a guy that is a ground technician and now is in a better position than you to take out both your eyes or bite your nose off!

Also, you don't want to be a "ground and pound fighter" as this only works if you are fighting a guy smaller than you, and you will end up on the top. What if the guy is bigger than you, and pits you on the ground?

All in all anything can happen in a street brawl, and it's better not to get into a brawl at all if possible. Maybe hrdgain is right and it's better just to carry a gat! This way nobody dares to mess with you that night....hmmnnn.

I agree... I think we agree on the same points, just come at them from different views...
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And street fighting is different as you never know if the other guy has friends in the crowd, packing heat, or has a . So, it's best to avoid any street confrontations, if possible
I've gotta completely agree with this. I've trained since i was 10, and to fight in the street is just not worth it. if you can walk away, you should. Not to mention, nothing you do is going to stop a bullet, so f that, I pack whenever possible.

However, it is possible to fight multiple attackers and win if you must. It is also completely viable to get your ass handed too you. The point is you never know what your up against. so my philosphy is this, hit hard, hit fast, and get the hell out of there. Not to mention if your in a fight, you dont want to stick around for the cops to show up, even if you did win your going to jail, so is that really a win?

I didnt get to see the payperview, I am pissed. can you give me a lil rundown, who came out on top?

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I didnt get to see the payperview, I am pissed. can you give me a lil rundown, who came out on top?
Couture got KO'd! I just don't know if it's a fix, I know, I know what the hell have you been smoking Snachito! There are just too many reasons why I believe this. Either way Chuck is the new champ!

The Matt Hughes vs. Trigg that fight was awsome! Matt Hughes came out on top.

As far as the other fights let me watch them all tonite, as I have them on tape. I just wanted to watch the main fights first, before the other smaller ones.
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Couture got KO'd! I just don't know if it's a fix.
KO'd... as in non ref. KO... and you say it's FIXED!! ... damn... I missed that!! F'in roommates .... now I HAVE to try and get in on a rerun...
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First Round started off with each guy circling. One thing was clear...Lidell was out for blood. He was hitting harder and more agressively than I've seen him before. Couture kept his cool (as is his MO). They both landed a couple of glancing blows, nothing serious, then....in a harmless looking exchange, Couture comes out holding his eye in excrutiating pain. He looked like he was going to drop unconscious from it. It appears that Lidell actually punched him/thumbed him so hard that his thumb went right in to Couture's eye socket (keep in mind, this is like half way through the first round). Couture was still in serious pain a few more seconds in and took a knee. Lidell looked like he was going to jump him, but hesitated. The ref looked like he didn't know what the F to do. Then Couture told him what happened and he gave Randy time to recover. I'm not sure about UFC rules on this, but usually it's up to five minutes to recover. Randy took about 30 seconds and then said he could continue. His eye was watering badly, and he still had a look in his eye like he was hurting. They began again, Lidell jumped right on him with non-stop punches to the face (targeting that right eye of Couture's) He knocked him unconscious in the air, and Randy fell straight on his back out cold on the ground. Lidell jumped him and hit him with two more monster punches to the face (while he was out cold). The ref stopped the fight.

That's what happened.



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:eek: wow... was there any replay on the "thumb" strike?
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Dave the reason I say it could have been a fix is they (Zuffa, Dana White)own both fighters, the ref, and the odds were against Lidell. When betting is involved anything can happen.

Randy is getting up there in age and the UFC needs younger blood. Look these guys are fighters, don't think that for a moment they wouldn't take a dive for the right amount of money. There training is fierce and getting knocked out in training is part of the game sometimes.

I personally talked to a Pride FC bonafide champion a few months back when he was visiting the Academy down in Torrance. I had asked him about training with Pele Landi and if he was as tough sparring as in the ring. His reply was " There were days that he would knock me out and days I would knock him out". The reason I'm conveying this conversation, is to reiterate that these guys sacrifice their bodies in training, can you imagine when there are millions of dollars on the line.

If someone were to tell me "Hey Dave(my name)we need you to throw this fight, if you do there will be a nice payday today, plus you will get a bigger payday for a rematch tomorrow just make it look convincing"! These guys are in it for the money also and sadly they just don't get paid like other professional athletes. I believe that they should, but they don't.

How much do you think they will get for a Rematch? If Randy would have won that would have been 2 losses delivered to Chuck, by Randy. A third fight would have been still been paid very good, but now since they are both 1 win and 1 loss, this next fight will determine who is the better of the two. This makes it more exciting then the other way around.

It was a great fight and BR laid it down perfect! I don't know if it was a fix, and I hate thinking this way. But, like I said when you have millions of dollars in betting, it taints any sport.
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I have done several styles since I was a kid. Some of them I have studied are Wushu KungFu, Sanshou, Taichi, Mua tai kickboxing, and currently studying Shotokan. I find mixing up the styles are great for an all over knowledge. I also agree with several of the points you guys made.

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