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Old 04-19-2005, 10:25 PM   #31
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I have done several styles since I was a kid. Some of them I have studied are Wushu KungFu, Sanshou, Taichi, Mua tai kickboxing, and currently studying Shotokan. I find mixing up the styles are great for an all over knowledge. I also agree with several of the points you guys made.
I wish I knew what the hell any of those things were. Sounds to me like the name of some kind of Thai food, are you a cook??
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Old 04-20-2005, 03:55 AM   #32
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HAHA, no but I do order Chinese food a lot.
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Old 04-20-2005, 05:28 AM   #33
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Dave the reason I say it could have been a fix is they (Zuffa, Dana White)own both fighters, the ref, and the odds were against Lidell.
I did not know that.

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How much do you think they will get for a Rematch? If Randy would have won that would have been 2 losses delivered to Chuck, by Randy. A third fight would have been still been paid very good, but now since they are both 1 win and 1 loss, this next fight will determine who is the better of the two. This makes it more exciting then the other way around.
funny you say this ... I was thinking about that last night... It does make alot of sense.. I just hate to think that they throw fights.. It's the fact that I remember the first UFC and how great it was as a kid.. To me it's like figuring out that Wrestling is staged..
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Old 04-20-2005, 07:32 AM   #34
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Thumbs down Guys....

Guys, Couture came in to the fight in the best shape of his entire life. He went through all of his training as per usual, and he just nicked Lidell with a couple of nearly landed home run punches that might have put him down had they landed flush. Do you think he pre-arranged to have Chuck slam his thumb in his ocular bone too?

This is just a ridiculous theory.

Neither of these guys would throw a fight, if you knew anything about either of them you'd know that. They are two of the most fierce competitors to lace them up. Neither of them have ever given ANY indication that they would do anything like that at any point in their careers. It's assinine to think that a champion at the top of his sport would throw a fight just to get a rubber match (and by the way, if a guy was going to do something that lowlife, he sure wouldn't agree to being KO'd in the first couple of minutes of the fight, because that makes it look more like Couture is finally over the hill, than that we need to see them go at it again. Be realistic.)

I'd like any one of you to name 3 examples of fighters in ANY fighting sport that have thrown a second fight just so they could set up a third. Any fighting sport. Actually, make that 2 examples. You make it sound like it's a rampant practice, and it's not.

If you want to set up a third match, you have to make the second match competitive. Saturdays fight was not competitive at all.

The final point is that Couture was cleanly ktfo. His head bounced off the mat 3 times. He was out from a flush right hand that he couldn't see (due to the eye gouge) and got nailed with all of Chuck's weight behind it. Then Lidell pounded him flush on the chin twice while on the ground after he was out. Yeah, I'm sure Couture said "Just knock the shit out of me Chuck. Lets do it really early on too, so that fans are dying to see us in the ring again"

The whole idea is just ignorant.



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whoooo... easy there BR.. I said nothing about agreeing with this theory.. although I did entertain the Idea.. all I said was that I didnt' know that they had the same owners.. and that I could also see a third match in the making.. All I was hoping was that the "theory" was wrong.. From what I know about the fighters I doesn't seem likely for them to thow a fight.. and I haven seen the fights yet.. so until them I'm just listening to what other people say.. I'll come to my conclusion when I see all the facts
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Old 04-20-2005, 08:14 AM   #36
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Old 04-20-2005, 08:35 AM   #37
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Calm down BR! It was just a theory, don't start to bust my chops over something we are just conversating over. I didn't say this is a fix for sure, hell I just wanted to spark up conversation amongst us all!

The thing is you still can't convince me that the fight may not have been fixed. Like I said Money taints sports, plain and simple!

There is also no way for me to prove my case, as there is no way you can prove yours either! You can explain the fight and how it went and say no way that is an ignorant idea that they threw the fight. I can accept your idea 95% the other 5% still go with my crazy theory.

Plain and simple it's a conflict of interest when the guys putting on the show, own the fighters contracts, the pay per view rights,the ref is paid by them. And to top it off it's in Vegas! Hell why do you think there are no professional sport's teams in Vegas?

All in all they are still making millions of bucks, do they care what you or I think? I really doubt that Randy, Chuck, Dana, Zuffa care what 2 people think on some obscure BB board on the net. We are just discussin and maybe debating things that don't matter anyways.

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Angry Returned from Anger Management

Okay guys...just got back from anger management, I'm okay now.

The reason I got a bit ticked off, is because when someone starts talking about something being fixed, then they are talking about the integrity of the atheletes and the sport they compete in. If we were talking about some greasy bastards that have been associated with dirty business in the past, well fine, but we aren't. There is nothing in the past of any of the men you mentioned (Lidell, Couture, White or Zuffa) that would indicate any reason to make such an accusation/suggestion. So with no reason to even suggest it, why? To be a dick? I can't think of any other reason.

I mean, when Don King's name comes up in regards to fixed judges, bleeding fighters dry of their $$$, or tax evasion, it's believable, because he's one of the greasiest bastards alive. I just do not see any justification in suggesting that type of behavior without justifiable cause. From what I've read, your "justifiable cause" is that they did it out of pure greed, to make more $$$ for a rubber match. I already pointed out that Randy agreeing to get the sh*t knocked out of him in less than 3 minutes absolutely blows that theory out of the water. If you want to hype the need for a third fight, you do not have one guy destroyed one sidedly in the first round. You also don't allow a guy to foul you with a serious injury to set up your loss.

I've been following blood sports since I was 6 years old, and not once can I think of any fight ever being fixed in the way you are describing. That is why I used the word "ignorant". I did not mean it in the sense that you (any of you) are stupid people. I meant that the theory you were proposing was based on a very vague/weak/ignorant concept. It wasn't meant to be offensive (any more than you meant to be offensive by accusing 4 honorable guys of being leaches that would rip off millions of PPV watchers out of pure greed.)

There is one final point I didn't include in my last post, that AGAIN would make your theory seem rather unplausable...Chuck & Randy were the coaches for the reality show The Ultimate Fighter. They were paid well for it, and they are going to be paid more next season, because of the sucess of the show. They will be returning as coaches again. Don't you think that taking a vicious 2:30 second KO has hurt Couture's rep for the show? Last season these guys were labled as "Two of the greatest fighters in the UFC" and Randy was introduced as "One of the greatest fighters ever" not currently, not in the UFC exclusively, one the greatest fighters to ever live on our planet. Do you really think they would fix it so he got smoked and KTFO in the first round, as some sort of a way to get money? That's just ridiculous dude.

You said that I can not prove my point. You also said that you cannot prove yours. Therefor you somehow come to the conclusion that either is viable. That's fine, if we throw out "reason". As a human being you are suppose to be able to weight a situation and use reason to figure out if something is far, far, far (in this case, quite far) more likely than not. In this case, there is absolutely no grounds for reasonable doubt, besides a very pessimistic/borderling paranoid pessimistic view of the world. It is based on absolutely nothing within reality. If it were, you'd have been able to give me the 2 examples I asked for. I'll lower the bar again. Give me one example in the history of mankind where the circumstances you suggest have happened.

*Heading back to Anger Management thanks 2 U*

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Old 04-20-2005, 11:06 AM   #39
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Sooo, what's next BR are you going to challenge me to a fight? LOL! I didn't say all this to be pessimistic or even to be a dick. I just sparked it up to be a conversation starter, playing Devil's advocate if you will. I obviously got your panties in a bunch, so it worked!

There have been all kinds of crazy theories in sports, when the Sacramento Kings were playing the Lakers the refs call's were called into question. Why? Because the Lakers being in the Championships would get higher tv ratings, than if the Kings would have made it to the Championships. Crazy huh?!

Hmmnnn....what ever could have caused people to think that way.....MONEY! From Boxing to Baseball anything that involves big money will always cast a shadow of doubt. Now add in betting in Vegas, that shadow is there no question.

I don't care if you are clean, have been clean, whatever, money can do weird things to people. Now talking about millions of dollars, anything is possible.

BR you can think whatever you want, and I can think whatever I want, leave it at that. I will reiterate what I said before, it is MY CRAZY THEORY! Let me wallow in my vague/weak/ignorant concept, it shouldn't bother you at all!(Even though it does)LOL!

*The Hijacking of this thread has ended (on my part anyways)*
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Old 04-20-2005, 11:40 AM   #40
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Talking Mmmmkay, truce?

Well, lets see, where to begin...

1. Challenge you to a fight? Why on earth would I do that? (you'd probably just throw it for a nickel anyway, as you have already displayed that you have no ethics or scruples, and assume everybody else is the same). Also, I don't just run around challenging people to fights, because I think fighting is a sport, or for defence. Also, the term "challenge" really wouldn't be all that accurate anyway.

2. I said pessimistic, because your whole theory is nothing but a pessimistic outlook on how you perceive apparently EVERYBODY being spoiled by money. That's pessimistic and unrealistic to say the least.

3. Since you don't know me, and you've never seen me, but you assume that men wear panties, I can deduct the following a) you yourself wear panties and believe that all other men must wear panties b) you are fantasizing about me wearing panties

In either case, I'm sorry to dissappoint you, but I'm not in to that. I do however stand up for your homosexual rights to be treated fairly and junk. I'm all for you guys getting the right to file taxes and get married. You go girl!

4. You still have nothing substantial, and you have not given an example, not even one, of anything even remotely similar happening. (You weren't actually suggesting that a crazy theory about refs in the NBA is somehow similar are you? It's not, so don't bother)

I think the problem here is that you appear atleast, so see the world with a very limited view, (through pessimistic glasses), with a touch of dick-dome.

5. I'd like to call a truce. It appears that we just disagree. No big deal. I think you are ignorant, and you disagree.

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