Martial artists
 

I want to see how many martial artists we have here, what styles you study and for how long. also, how you handle cross training with wieght lifting.

I've studied, isshinryu, goju, jujitsu, aikido, kenjitsu, most recently chito ryu, and okinawan kobudo.

i'm struggling with the kobudo right now, all the weapons work makes me sore as shit for lifting days. and i have a feelling its gonna lend itself to size loss due to the amount of endurance you need to wield heavey weapons for long periods of time.

:D glad to see more martial arts peeps..
I've been in martial arts for about 15 years. (my dad is a black belt in aikido and use to do Tai Chi).. I don't remember exactly how long I've been training for because I can never remember Not doing martial arts,(if that made any sense). so, I've studied, aikido, Tai Chi, Goju, Kempo, Kickboxing, jujitsu, Shotokan, Judo, and now I do Arnis, Small Circle Jujitsu, and Kyusho Kempo(pressure points). but mostly Arnis now, the other two I go to seminars to learn. I've been thinking about getting into Jujitsu for a while now because I miss the randorei. and watching the UFC reality show has got me all amped up.. since I know I can grapple better then those guys.. makes me want to become a cage fighter :)

oh yeah.. and lifting just makes me a stronger fighter... as long as I keep stretching..

I've always wanted to study martial arts but like many others found excuses not to. I studied judo for about a year, really liked it but I quit when I went to university. Anyways, since you guys seem to be so familiar with so many styles I'd like to ask a question. I'd really like to try some form of martial arts again, however due to injuries from a few years ago I have a lot of paralysis and atrophy in my legs and can't really walk or stand(for any length of time) without using a cane(sometimes will use two) and I'm sure if someone tossed me I'd break a leg hehe, so.. is there any form that would be better suited to me? I don't care if I get good at it or win any competitions.. would just like to try something out. Thanks guys.

I did Chang Shou Kung Fu and kickboxing for almost 3 years. I quit because in my eyes, you need to be about a black belt to incorperate most of it. I think it's dangerous in a street fight to start throwing roundhouses and other high kicks you practice in general because of your surroundings. Just the other day I saw Ken Shamrock try and throw a roundhouse in the octagon, slipped, and got pummeled. That's why I'm a believer in the whole 3 seconds in a fight standing, the rest on the ground. Striking arts are a waste of time and if I could go back in time, I'd have studied submissions. The other day in the gym I was approached by a few members of Brazillian Top Team asking me to train for free. They said they're recruiting and they have only two "huge" guys there that are sick of rolling with each other and need new blood. I'll probably do it.

Being ex-military and enlisted, I have seen plenty of fights. Nothing is worse then someone who has taken martial arts for a period of time and then wanting to jump bad on someone who is a decent bar fighter. The look of confidence, then "oh shit...." when their stuff doesn't work is almost priceless if it didn't result in pain. Unless you are real good at it then it's useless for offense.

I took some martial arts way back and I can honestly say the I never got good enough for me to consider the offensive techniques worthwhile in a feal fight, but the defensive techniques were quality and I still find myself using them today when me and my son are fighting around for fun.

What branch?

Army. From 86 to 90 full time, then for 3 years in the national guard while going to college.

Mixed Martial Arts
 

Hey guys,

Lets see, my grandfather was a boxer of some significance in Canada. He got me hooked on it from about the age of 4 or 5. I spent countless hours watching films of fighters like Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano etc etc, and I loved every minute of it. He started training me when I was about 5 or 6, and for the first year, all the old buggar would teach me was defence and balance. I remember hating it, because it was so boring, but he kept saying "you gotta learn to swim before you can dive my boy". I get what he meant now.

From there I continued with boxing seriously until I turned 19. I got involved in Black Dragon - Kung Fu with my father when I was 11 or 12. My dad was already a decently accomplished black belt in Karate, but had been out of practice. We trained together for about 3 years. At that point I went in to kick boxing, because I felt like I needed more contact (aka I wanted to knock some cats TFO). It was good, but because I was over 13 years old, and because I was such a big b@stard, they kept putting me in with older more experienced fighters. Often adults. I won my first 11 fights by stoppage, but then I lost my last two and quit shortly afterwards. It turned out that in order to beat me, all one had to do was last a few rounds, because I would get frustrated and start doing stupid sh*t looking for a big KO. I got out pointed by two smarter, faster, more experienced kick boxers, but hey, I learned from it.

(As I already noted, I trained in boxing right through until I was 19)

When I turned 20, a good friend and I were attacked by 5 guys with beer bottles, and my friend was hurt pretty badly. I took out two of them, but eventually, there were just too many. I didn't get hurt bad, but I was so incredibly p*ssed off about the audacity they had to assault us, without provocation, that I developed an even worse temper than I already had, and I almost immediately went about signing up for more training. (I wanted to become invincible, and I had pure revenge on my mind. - Regardless of the ridiculous notion that I would ever even come back in contact with the assailants, let alone recognize them all during daylight.)
I signed up with Ching Wu - Kung Fu, which is a combination of over 20 traditional styles of traditional Kung Fu, as well as several weapons systems. More importantly, my Sifu was incredible. The best teacher I had ever encountered. I signed up with my friend who was also attacked, but he quit shortly afterwards. I stayed for 5 years. In about my 4th year, I took up boxing again (I had always still trained with the heavybag and speed bags in the basement, but hadn't had any sparring until I went back to the gym.)

When I was 27 years old, I met a guy that was training to get in to mixed martial arts cage matches. He was an awesome fighter. He was also my new boss at the time. We started talking about fighting arts, and it turned out we had a lot in common (ie. he was a boxer/martial artist) and he went on and on about Brazilian Ju Jitsu. I went to his gym and we spared for awhile. He convinced me. I trained there for a little less than a year. I liked it, Ju Jitsu is awesome, but I didnt care for the gym, as every guy there seemed to think he was the next Tito Ortiz or Chuck Lidell. They would crank arm bars on you until you could hear your elbow crunch and it really interfered with my bodybuilding. I also have a strong preference for hitting a guy and khtfo. To each their own.

I practice my martial arts knowledge to this day, but only one day a week, for flexibility, memory & a change up in my cardio.

I still train for boxing in my basement, I probably always will. I write for a boxing publication and for a popular boxing website. It's still a passion.

Anyway, that's my 4 cents. Sorry, that post was a bit long, but I'm pretty knew on here and I have a lot of sh*t to get out of my mouth. :)

I also realize that boxing isn't technically a martial art, but it's a fighting art, and it's still my favorite, so I thought I'd bring it up.

Take it easy,

Raven

Dude....Hampster Style...
 

Man that Hamster Style part of the movie nearly killed me laughing. That was some funny sh*t. Well the whole movie was funny. :D

:D I laughed my ass off when I saw that... no respect for the other fighter... and his footing on is standing let was not even positioned right when he threw the kick... can't wait till this weekend for the Courure and Liddell fight... oh yeah...

"Dad, I think today I'm going to use Hamster Style"...
hahaha... priceless

Ok, there are a few things i read that i have to respond to, and please dont take this the wrong way, or as a personal attack on anyone ... its my opinion so take it for what its worth (the word of god, j/k)

to say stricking arts are a waste of time is perhaps one of the most ignorant comments i've ever read. It is true, and every jujitsu practitioner is quick to point out, that 90% of all fights go to the ground. And they like thier 'ground and pound' philosophy. Good luck in a bar fight, take someone to the ground and have his friends kick you in the face for five minutes ... I've seen it happen plenty of times. 0311, your a body gaurd, you should know this.

On the other hand, the ken shamrock thing is true, i would never strike to the head with a foot, just dumb. Dixon sensei (goju) used to say, why would i pick my foot up and hit you in the head, thats like dropping down and punching your foot with my hand, how stupid.

Perhaps one of my favorite quotes is from Boyle Sensei (also goju) right after i got my brown belt (age 13) "now is a troubling time, you know just enough to get your ass seriously kicked ... "

I guess what i'm trying to say is, it is more benificial to be a well rounded practitioner and cross train then it is too be solidified in a single style or mentality. This is where jeet kun do's philosophy is derived from.

Incase you havent realized it yet, i'm very passionate about martial arts, and i enjoy talking about it. and now my book of rants is over.

I have to disagree with you on this hrdgain. It doesn't matter if you're an expert at stricking either in a bar. If you are kicking somebody's ass his buddies are still going to kick your ass, even though you are a grappler/striker. So, nothing will work on a group of 2 or more fighters, especially if you get sucker punched. It doesn't matter if you are a black belt in any style! Unless all of them are midgets then the odds are for ya.

We had a guy who was an expert thai boxer,Karate guy come in and fight with a brown belt. Time and time again he got his ass handed to him, his response " Okay this ground fighting does work, but how would it do against multiple opponents"? My buddy's response was "You mean to tell me if you couldn't handle just me what makes you think you could handle one or more of my friends at the same time"! That's like not being able to curl a 40lb dumbell, then going over and trying to curl another 40lb dumbell at the same time!

In a one on one fight any style will give you an edge, but it doesn't guarantee a win. There is always a chance for a luck punch, friends intervene, and let's not forget the good ole cops will arrest you. I know I almost lost my business over a situation like this!

I forgot to add I do agree that a hybrid of striking/grappling is necessary also.

sorry snatch, i gotta disagree. The mentality of fighting mulitple attackers makes it a completely different ball game. you dont fight one person the same way you fight two, or three or four, so your analogy is skewed.

I will say that being a well rounded fighter is better then trying to master any one style. you must adapt to any situation, and do as much damage as possible as quickly as possible, then get out of that situation.

there are no rules in the street, thats why i also carry my heat :D

did Tae Kwon Do from elementary through middle school... got my black belt and LOVED the tournaments. got to go to jr. olympics. for my match i 'bout smashed this kids nose back inwards into his face... dude was bleeding all over the joint. they had a timeout for about 10min while they got him to stop bleeding/crying. it must've pissed him off b/c he came back and destroyed me, lol.

it was a lot of fun and it definitly is good for learning discipline, confidence, restraint, etc. there is a huge mental aspect to it all that i really miss. i would love to get back into it but i would be more interested in studying a different style

How can my analogy be skewed, this is a guy who has been taught to fight multiple guys at once in his art, yet can't handle one! I don't care if anybody is a black belt in any art fighting style, taking on more than one guy and you are going to get your ass kicked plain and simple!

Even if it was a well rounded fighter taking on 2 or more guys is next to impossible. We have done it down at the academy. And not like in the movies where one guys first is fighting one guy while the others wait. This is like gang tangling in football.

Especially if the guys attacking are communicating good you are a dead. We had a guy that fought in the UFC Joe Pardo who is a big dude. Between another guy and myself we were able to neutrilize the guy an put a choke on him.

I do agree with you that you need to incorporate striking/grappling to make it complete. You don't want to become a one dimensional fighter.

And street fighting is different as you never know if the other guy has friends in the crowd, packing heat, or has a knife. So, it's best to avoid any street confrontations, if possible.

I know for a fact that one person can take out at least 2 people at once. I had a friend that was almost mugged.. and there was two guys... one with a knife and one was just look out.. the guy with the knife got up close to my friend to grab the money when my friend grabbed the guys knife hand and punted his balls into his mouth... disarmed the guy, and shoved him into the other guy and ran.. so, he technically took both out, one was incapacitated and the other couldn't get to my friend because he had the other mugger on top of him... granted it wasn't a an old school beat the crap out of both guys to teach them a lesson.. but he didn't get hurt... there are ways to take more than one person on in a street fight... If I ever get into a "street fight".. I will most likely go for need caps, and break legs.. its' not that hard and it's amazing how fast one goes down after their need cap is facing the other direction and I'm taking eye ball out.. grabbing balls and throats.. anything.. people won't fight if they lost their vision because of an eye gouge... I will never go to ground if I can help it.. getting asphalt in your skin from rolling around isn't fun.... and if your trying to put a lock on someone and his buds come up on you.. yeah .. good night.. most grappling is one on one... stand up you have a way better chance of coming out with minor damage...

I am probably the only one in here who is good enough to use the twenty third trick in martial arts. I just stick my tail in between my legs and then turn around and run.

The last UFC - Couture vs Lidell II
 

What did you homre's think of the last UFC? I thought the show was good -even if the main event was anti-climatic- but I wagered on Randy and lost $$$. I knew Lidell was a vicious striker, but I had not considered that he might blind Couture with by sticking his thumb right inside of Randy's right eye socket. That seemed to finish Couture, as he didn't even bother mounting a defense after that foul. The end was inevitable.

I can only assume Randy will want to go to the rubber match and try and get revenge. It's going to make for an interesting Ultimate Fighter tv series next year when they have to work together again.

Anybody else watch it?

Raven

This is the thing, most of the time a well trained fighter can take on 90% of the regular Joe's out there. I say 90% because there is always someone out there with knock out power that can sucker punch you, or get a lucky shot and you're out! You could be "Billy bad ass" and not be expecting a punch, next thing you know your waking up naked with piss all over you, wondering what happened, where am I?

Even someone like Gilbert Yvel, Vanderlei Silva, Chuck Lidell, etc. can get their clocks cleaned by one of the other guys buddies in the crowd. So, stand up versus ground doesn't even matter here, when the guy who you're fighting has buddies waiting while you're back is turned and bam! In the end it doesn't matter if you are a Pit bull, as you can still get killed by a pack of poodles attacking you all at once!

If you ever end up in a street fight it's a weird situation, where everything you say you would do if you ever got into this situation, goes out the window. You begin fighting out of pure instinct and survival. And everyday that you are in the dojo, academy, whatever kind of training comes into critical play.

One thing to like I said it's better to learn both stand up and ground techniques, you don't want to be the stand up guy that never learned ground techniques and end up on the ground with a guy that is a ground technician and now is in a better position than you to take out both your eyes or bite your nose off!

Also, you don't want to be a "ground and pound fighter" as this only works if you are fighting a guy smaller than you, and you will end up on the top. What if the guy is bigger than you, and pits you on the ground?

All in all anything can happen in a street brawl, and it's better not to get into a brawl at all if possible. Maybe hrdgain is right and it's better just to carry a gat! This way nobody dares to mess with you that night....hmmnnn.

I agree... I think we agree on the same points, just come at them from different views... :)

I've gotta completely agree with this. I've trained since i was 10, and to fight in the street is just not worth it. if you can walk away, you should. Not to mention, nothing you do is going to stop a bullet, so f that, I pack whenever possible.

However, it is possible to fight multiple attackers and win if you must. It is also completely viable to get your ass handed too you. The point is you never know what your up against. so my philosphy is this, hit hard, hit fast, and get the hell out of there. Not to mention if your in a fight, you dont want to stick around for the cops to show up, even if you did win your going to jail, so is that really a win?

I didnt get to see the payperview, I am pissed. can you give me a lil rundown, who came out on top?

Couture got KO'd! I just don't know if it's a fix, I know, I know what the hell have you been smoking Snachito! There are just too many reasons why I believe this. Either way Chuck is the new champ!

The Matt Hughes vs. Trigg that fight was awsome! Matt Hughes came out on top.

As far as the other fights let me watch them all tonite, as I have them on tape. I just wanted to watch the main fights first, before the other smaller ones.

KO'd... as in non ref. KO... and you say it's FIXED!! ... damn... I missed that!! F'in roommates :mad: .... now I HAVE to try and get in on a rerun...

Lowdown
 

First Round started off with each guy circling. One thing was clear...Lidell was out for blood. He was hitting harder and more agressively than I've seen him before. Couture kept his cool (as is his MO). They both landed a couple of glancing blows, nothing serious, then....in a harmless looking exchange, Couture comes out holding his eye in excrutiating pain. He looked like he was going to drop unconscious from it. It appears that Lidell actually punched him/thumbed him so hard that his thumb went right in to Couture's eye socket (keep in mind, this is like half way through the first round). Couture was still in serious pain a few more seconds in and took a knee. Lidell looked like he was going to jump him, but hesitated. The ref looked like he didn't know what the F to do. Then Couture told him what happened and he gave Randy time to recover. I'm not sure about UFC rules on this, but usually it's up to five minutes to recover. Randy took about 30 seconds and then said he could continue. His eye was watering badly, and he still had a look in his eye like he was hurting. They began again, Lidell jumped right on him with non-stop punches to the face (targeting that right eye of Couture's) He knocked him unconscious in the air, and Randy fell straight on his back out cold on the ground. Lidell jumped him and hit him with two more monster punches to the face (while he was out cold). The ref stopped the fight.

That's what happened.



Raven

:eek: wow... was there any replay on the "thumb" strike?

Dave the reason I say it could have been a fix is they (Zuffa, Dana White)own both fighters, the ref, and the odds were against Lidell. When betting is involved anything can happen.

Randy is getting up there in age and the UFC needs younger blood. Look these guys are fighters, don't think that for a moment they wouldn't take a dive for the right amount of money. There training is fierce and getting knocked out in training is part of the game sometimes.

I personally talked to a Pride FC bonafide champion a few months back when he was visiting the Academy down in Torrance. I had asked him about training with Pele Landi and if he was as tough sparring as in the ring. His reply was " There were days that he would knock me out and days I would knock him out". The reason I'm conveying this conversation, is to reiterate that these guys sacrifice their bodies in training, can you imagine when there are millions of dollars on the line.

If someone were to tell me "Hey Dave(my name)we need you to throw this fight, if you do there will be a nice payday today, plus you will get a bigger payday for a rematch tomorrow just make it look convincing"! These guys are in it for the money also and sadly they just don't get paid like other professional athletes. I believe that they should, but they don't.

How much do you think they will get for a Rematch? If Randy would have won that would have been 2 losses delivered to Chuck, by Randy. A third fight would have been still been paid very good, but now since they are both 1 win and 1 loss, this next fight will determine who is the better of the two. This makes it more exciting then the other way around.

It was a great fight and BR laid it down perfect! I don't know if it was a fix, and I hate thinking this way. But, like I said when you have millions of dollars in betting, it taints any sport.

I have done several styles since I was a kid. Some of them I have studied are Wushu KungFu, Sanshou, Taichi, Mua tai kickboxing, and currently studying Shotokan. I find mixing up the styles are great for an all over knowledge. I also agree with several of the points you guys made.

I wish I knew what the hell any of those things were. Sounds to me like the name of some kind of Thai food, are you a cook?? :D

HAHA, no but I do order Chinese food a lot. :D

I did not know that.

funny you say this ... I was thinking about that last night... It does make alot of sense.. I just hate to think that they throw fights.. It's the fact that I remember the first UFC and how great it was as a kid.. To me it's like figuring out that Wrestling is staged..

Guys....
 

Guys, Couture came in to the fight in the best shape of his entire life. He went through all of his training as per usual, and he just nicked Lidell with a couple of nearly landed home run punches that might have put him down had they landed flush. Do you think he pre-arranged to have Chuck slam his thumb in his ocular bone too?

This is just a ridiculous theory.

Neither of these guys would throw a fight, if you knew anything about either of them you'd know that. They are two of the most fierce competitors to lace them up. Neither of them have ever given ANY indication that they would do anything like that at any point in their careers. It's assinine to think that a champion at the top of his sport would throw a fight just to get a rubber match (and by the way, if a guy was going to do something that lowlife, he sure wouldn't agree to being KO'd in the first couple of minutes of the fight, because that makes it look more like Couture is finally over the hill, than that we need to see them go at it again. Be realistic.)

I'd like any one of you to name 3 examples of fighters in ANY fighting sport that have thrown a second fight just so they could set up a third. Any fighting sport. Actually, make that 2 examples. You make it sound like it's a rampant practice, and it's not.

If you want to set up a third match, you have to make the second match competitive. Saturdays fight was not competitive at all.

The final point is that Couture was cleanly ktfo. His head bounced off the mat 3 times. He was out from a flush right hand that he couldn't see (due to the eye gouge) and got nailed with all of Chuck's weight behind it. Then Lidell pounded him flush on the chin twice while on the ground after he was out. Yeah, I'm sure Couture said "Just knock the shit out of me Chuck. Lets do it really early on too, so that fans are dying to see us in the ring again"

The whole idea is just ignorant.



Raven

whoooo... easy there BR.. I said nothing about agreeing with this theory.. although I did entertain the Idea.. all I said was that I didnt' know that they had the same owners.. and that I could also see a third match in the making.. All I was hoping was that the "theory" was wrong.. From what I know about the fighters I doesn't seem likely for them to thow a fight.. and I haven seen the fights yet.. so until them I'm just listening to what other people say.. I'll come to my conclusion when I see all the facts

anything is possible

Calm down BR! It was just a theory, don't start to bust my chops over something we are just conversating over. I didn't say this is a fix for sure, hell I just wanted to spark up conversation amongst us all!

The thing is you still can't convince me that the fight may not have been fixed. Like I said Money taints sports, plain and simple!

There is also no way for me to prove my case, as there is no way you can prove yours either! You can explain the fight and how it went and say no way that is an ignorant idea that they threw the fight. I can accept your idea 95% the other 5% still go with my crazy theory.

Plain and simple it's a conflict of interest when the guys putting on the show, own the fighters contracts, the pay per view rights,the ref is paid by them. And to top it off it's in Vegas! Hell why do you think there are no professional sport's teams in Vegas?

All in all they are still making millions of bucks, do they care what you or I think? I really doubt that Randy, Chuck, Dana, Zuffa care what 2 people think on some obscure BB board on the net. We are just discussin and maybe debating things that don't matter anyways.

Returned from Anger Management
 

Okay guys...just got back from anger management, I'm okay now. :D

The reason I got a bit ticked off, is because when someone starts talking about something being fixed, then they are talking about the integrity of the atheletes and the sport they compete in. If we were talking about some greasy bastards that have been associated with dirty business in the past, well fine, but we aren't. There is nothing in the past of any of the men you mentioned (Lidell, Couture, White or Zuffa) that would indicate any reason to make such an accusation/suggestion. So with no reason to even suggest it, why? To be a dick? I can't think of any other reason.

I mean, when Don King's name comes up in regards to fixed judges, bleeding fighters dry of their $$$, or tax evasion, it's believable, because he's one of the greasiest bastards alive. I just do not see any justification in suggesting that type of behavior without justifiable cause. From what I've read, your "justifiable cause" is that they did it out of pure greed, to make more $$$ for a rubber match. I already pointed out that Randy agreeing to get the sh*t knocked out of him in less than 3 minutes absolutely blows that theory out of the water. If you want to hype the need for a third fight, you do not have one guy destroyed one sidedly in the first round. You also don't allow a guy to foul you with a serious injury to set up your loss.

I've been following blood sports since I was 6 years old, and not once can I think of any fight ever being fixed in the way you are describing. That is why I used the word "ignorant". I did not mean it in the sense that you (any of you) are stupid people. I meant that the theory you were proposing was based on a very vague/weak/ignorant concept. It wasn't meant to be offensive (any more than you meant to be offensive by accusing 4 honorable guys of being leaches that would rip off millions of PPV watchers out of pure greed.)

There is one final point I didn't include in my last post, that AGAIN would make your theory seem rather unplausable...Chuck & Randy were the coaches for the reality show The Ultimate Fighter. They were paid well for it, and they are going to be paid more next season, because of the sucess of the show. They will be returning as coaches again. Don't you think that taking a vicious 2:30 second KO has hurt Couture's rep for the show? Last season these guys were labled as "Two of the greatest fighters in the UFC" and Randy was introduced as "One of the greatest fighters ever" not currently, not in the UFC exclusively, one the greatest fighters to ever live on our planet. Do you really think they would fix it so he got smoked and KTFO in the first round, as some sort of a way to get money? That's just ridiculous dude.

You said that I can not prove my point. You also said that you cannot prove yours. Therefor you somehow come to the conclusion that either is viable. That's fine, if we throw out "reason". As a human being you are suppose to be able to weight a situation and use reason to figure out if something is far, far, far (in this case, quite far) more likely than not. In this case, there is absolutely no grounds for reasonable doubt, besides a very pessimistic/borderling paranoid pessimistic view of the world. It is based on absolutely nothing within reality. If it were, you'd have been able to give me the 2 examples I asked for. I'll lower the bar again. Give me one example in the history of mankind where the circumstances you suggest have happened.

*Heading back to Anger Management thanks 2 U*

Raven

Sooo, what's next BR are you going to challenge me to a fight? LOL! I didn't say all this to be pessimistic or even to be a dick. I just sparked it up to be a conversation starter, playing Devil's advocate if you will. I obviously got your panties in a bunch, so it worked!

There have been all kinds of crazy theories in sports, when the Sacramento Kings were playing the Lakers the refs call's were called into question. Why? Because the Lakers being in the Championships would get higher tv ratings, than if the Kings would have made it to the Championships. Crazy huh?!

Hmmnnn....what ever could have caused people to think that way.....MONEY! From Boxing to Baseball anything that involves big money will always cast a shadow of doubt. Now add in betting in Vegas, that shadow is there no question.

I don't care if you are clean, have been clean, whatever, money can do weird things to people. Now talking about millions of dollars, anything is possible.

BR you can think whatever you want, and I can think whatever I want, leave it at that. I will reiterate what I said before, it is MY CRAZY THEORY! Let me wallow in my vague/weak/ignorant concept, it shouldn't bother you at all!(Even though it does)LOL!

*The Hijacking of this thread has ended (on my part anyways)*

Mmmmkay, truce?
 

Well, lets see, where to begin...

1. Challenge you to a fight? Why on earth would I do that? (you'd probably just throw it for a nickel anyway, as you have already displayed that you have no ethics or scruples, and assume everybody else is the same). Also, I don't just run around challenging people to fights, because I think fighting is a sport, or for defence. Also, the term "challenge" really wouldn't be all that accurate anyway. :D

2. I said pessimistic, because your whole theory is nothing but a pessimistic outlook on how you perceive apparently EVERYBODY being spoiled by money. That's pessimistic and unrealistic to say the least.

3. Since you don't know me, and you've never seen me, but you assume that men wear panties, I can deduct the following a) you yourself wear panties and believe that all other men must wear panties b) you are fantasizing about me wearing panties

In either case, I'm sorry to dissappoint you, but I'm not in to that. I do however stand up for your homosexual rights to be treated fairly and junk. I'm all for you guys getting the right to file taxes and get married. You go girl!

4. You still have nothing substantial, and you have not given an example, not even one, of anything even remotely similar happening. (You weren't actually suggesting that a crazy theory about refs in the NBA is somehow similar are you? It's not, so don't bother)

I think the problem here is that you appear atleast, so see the world with a very limited view, (through pessimistic glasses), with a touch of dick-dome.

5. I'd like to call a truce. It appears that we just disagree. No big deal. I think you are ignorant, and you disagree. :D

Your best pal, Raven