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john917v 09-02-2008 01:56 PM

Pros?
 
Howcome you rarely see the pros doing deads? Aside from Ronnie, I've never seen any vids of pros doing them.

Ross86 09-02-2008 01:59 PM

I've seen some guys do them. The best way to bring your DL up is to not DL. That quote came from Rippetoe, I believe. It is a great mass building movement. You're right though...I have seen many, many more squat videos than DL videos. It could have something to do with a potential for injury I suppose.

EricT 09-02-2008 02:27 PM

It's about training economy and the effects you want. The typical pro..all juiced up and with a marked abilty to gain slabs of muscle through "bodybulding" style training...regular deadlifts just are not economical for a lot of them.

I can elaborate but I think you catch my drift.

_Wolf_ 09-02-2008 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ross86 (Post 65352)
The best way to bring your DL up is to not DL.

I think this can be somewhat of a misleading statement.

When I completely stopped deadlifting, my squat hit an all-time high of 335 but my deadlift was stuck at like 225.

I think there is a balance that must exist. Some DL variant must be done at all times - whether it be rack deads, snatch grips, etc etc...they key is to for your body to be able to recall the lift correctly.

Ross86 09-02-2008 07:29 PM

Very true my friend. Thanks for clarifying. When I said (and he said) that the best way to bring up a deadlift is by not deadlifting, I was talking about a standard, conventional deadlift. Squats, DL variations, GHRs, etc will all bring up a DL. It's interesting how the carryover between exercises works. My favorite lift for bringing up my DL is A2G squats...and after that, some variation of leg curls. Some people can get very strong by DLing (heavy, conventional) every week, but they don't make up the majority of trainees.

Darkhorse 09-02-2008 07:35 PM

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The best way to bring your DL up is to not DL. That quote came from Rippetoe, I believe.
No, Bill Starr actually as per my journal. :) Beginners and intermediates probably shouldn't get away from deadlifting IMHO. For many others, that statement is true. I could walk away from deadlifting for months, come back, and not miss a beat... Which was what Ross is talking about in his ellaboration. If I'm doing heavy squats, gluteham's, ect ect ect and increasing weight, I don't need to bother deadlifting to know it's getting increased. Heavy sled dragging people! :D

Even when I was powerbuilding, I dropped deads for a few mesocycles, came back, and in a few weeks of a strength cycle with IA hit a new all time record.

Getting to the question. Pro's have very big supplement cabinets if you catch my drift. They don't need to increase their GH and testosterone production w/ deadlifts lol. They can make a living doing hammer strength shrugs whereas the other 75% of us would be much better served with the full body compounds that made this nation great! Additionally, remember the pro's already have the muscle mass that they got DOING deadlifts. So they're worried more about aesthetics at that point... Which is funny since they incorperate so much HGH that they have pot bellies w/ abs lol.

Ross86 09-03-2008 04:18 AM

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So they're worried more about aesthetics at that point... Which is funny since they incorperate so much HGH that they have pot bellies w/ abs lol.
:biglaugh: Very true.....

john917v 09-03-2008 08:58 AM

I saw this one vid. where Marc. inhaled deeply. Looked like an albino gorilla!

_Wolf_ 09-03-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse (Post 65385)
No, Bill Starr actually as per my journal. :) Beginners and intermediates probably shouldn't get away from deadlifting IMHO. For many others, that statement is true. I could walk away from deadlifting for months, come back, and not miss a beat... Which was what Ross is talking about in his ellaboration. If I'm doing heavy squats, gluteham's, ect ect ect and increasing weight, I don't need to bother deadlifting to know it's getting increased. Heavy sled dragging people! :D

Even when I was powerbuilding, I dropped deads for a few mesocycles, came back, and in a few weeks of a strength cycle with IA hit a new all time record.

I agree with you, DH.

If one stops doing direct deadlifts and instead works on other lifts like:
Front Squats (Free + Box)
Snatch Grip
Rack Deads
GHRs
Unilateral Exercises
etc

One can still come back and nail a new PR. Hell, Eric Cressey has me doing exactly this.

However, my point is that when an uninformed person reads something like " The best way to bring your DL up is to not DL." from Starr or Rippetoe or anyone else whom people hold in high authority because of their accomplishments, it can lead to thinking that skipping deads and only focussing on squats equals a new deadlift PR down the road. This thought is not correct and therefore, such a blanket statement can be misleading.

This is all I was trying to point out.

From personal experience, I haven't done heavy deadlifts in over 8 weeks. All I have been focussing on is rack deads, snatch deads, speed deads. And I think I am progressing pretty well.

I don't think PROs do deads because like Eric said: it isn't a commercially selling lift. People are more inclined to buy a supplement endorsed by a PRO who is doing biceps versus him doing a big squat or deadlift. It's all about existing misconceptions and going with the flow because it seems to be working.

Pitysister 09-03-2008 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by _Wolf_ (Post 65484)
I agree with you, DH.

If one stops doing direct deadlifts and instead works on other lifts like:
Front Squats (Free + Box)
Snatch Grip
Rack Deads
GHRs
Unilateral Exercises
etc

One can still come back and nail a new PR. Hell, Eric Cressey has me doing exactly this.

However, my point is that when an uninformed person reads something like " The best way to bring your DL up is to not DL." from Starr or Rippetoe or anyone else whom people hold in high authority because of their accomplishments, it can lead to thinking that skipping deads and only focussing on squats equals a new deadlift PR down the road. This thought is not correct and therefore, such a blanket statement can be misleading.

This is all I was trying to point out.

From personal experience, I haven't done heavy deadlifts in over 8 weeks. All I have been focussing on is rack deads, snatch deads, speed deads. And I think I am progressing pretty well.

I don't think PROs do deads because like Eric said: it isn't a commercially selling lift. People are more inclined to buy a supplement endorsed by a PRO who is doing biceps versus him doing a big squat or deadlift. It's all about existing misconceptions and going with the flow because it seems to be working.


you use your tongue prettier than a 20 dollar whore :)

but you're very right. when is moving day for you? i'm very excited for the results.


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