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Yeah dude, it's kind of weird though. I mean, my left wrist will hurt a little while doing CGB, but it really hurts more so afterwards and even the following day(s). I don't want to stop doing them because I really get a great pump out of 'em ya know? Plus, I do skull crushers already in my workout, so I may switch it up and add in weighted dips (well, probably just body weight at least for now) Thanks a lot for your help and suggestions man.

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Day 1---Lower One

Now moving up to 90%....

Squats 245-8, 255-8, 265-8
SL Deads 175-8, 185-8, 195-8
Leg Press 410-12, 430-12
Leg Curl 140-12, 150-12
Standing CR 160-8, 170-8, 180-8
Seated CR 110-12, 120-12

Man I love doing lower day one! Especially with my new form in squats and SL Deads. (Thanks Broski) I'm kickin' all my partners' asses dude! Ha That's what I'm F'n talkin' about....

Ya know man, I've been thinking about that more and more and to tell you the truth I just keep hearing so much more about it now. I have great icons for inspiration and just keep getting amazed at what some people can do. I may try to do a stint of PL, but I don't quite think I'm at that stage yet man. I have some more things to accomplish in the gym before I start PLing. But one day.....

Lookin good bro. So who you liftin with these days?

becareful with that wrist, nagging joint pain is a bitch.

No use in continuing to try to do them if it hurts too much. You've widened your grip, yes?

After this stint of Lyle's Bulker, you might want to try the Starr/Pendlay 5X5 program. It'll help you get your strength up there and focuses on the three big lifts: bench, dead, squats. Get a solid base for these lifts.

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To add, you may be overtraining your wrists. They seem to be getting a lot of work outside of the gym. Stop molesting the suspect

Yeah I've widened my grip bro, you saw last time I was there...well maybe you didn't, but I did. But I guess I'll just have to replace that exercise with another one. Thanks for all of the suggestions. And as for You can suck a fat one! (That was pretty good) Hmmmm Hmp.

Now let me ask you this. you know me more than anyone on here besides hrdgain. So I know I said that I'm interested in PLing (but that was some time in the future) Do you really think that I should go from this Lyle's Bulker to that. OR should I try something different to drop some weight and get all that other bullshit in check? I was just wondering what your opinion was man, let me know.

Day 2---Upper One

Incline BB 165-8, 175-8, 185-8
T-Bar Row 115-8, 120-8, 125-8
Flat DB Press 70-12, 75-12
Pull Downs 180-12, 185-12
Standing SP 105-12, 110-12
Skull Crushers 80-12, 90-12
BB Curls 35-12, 40-12


Alright workout for the day, I was by myself becuase my partner pussed out on me. Well, he had to work but what are you gonna do. So I was rather impressed with myself becuase I was able to 90 lbs on my last set for skull crushers with no assistance. Those have been giving me some frustration in the past so I was rather pleased. I know this is like, the third week in a row for doing those standing shoulder presses, but man I get such a total body workout doing them I love it...so I continue to do them. Kick ass, see you guys tomorrow.

Depends on your goals. Dropping weight is going to be determined by diet mostly. You can continue your current routine and cut calories slightly, maybe throw in a few days of cardio. If you are going to diet and do this routine (which would be perfectly fine) simply lower the volume (drop a set or two on each exercise) and at least keep the same amount of weight on the bar. Further, the Starr/Pendlay program indicates that people have had success with it while cutting so also consider this as a viable option.

If PL is your thing, you know they are just "big fat freaks who dl, bench, and squat for low reps" so forget about dropping weight. Kidding aside, it really depends on your goals.

This is really the first time you've been able to consistently train and you still need to develop a solid base. You've got to be patient. There's no rush for you to start getting into pl'ing right now. You still need a lot of work on technique and practice with the exercises. Give yourself some time to develop into your own and just try to keep progressing on your individual goals.

It's always good to start a bulker while lean so things don't get out of hand. If I were you, and since I know you, I would think about trying to lean out a bit right now and focus on the proper technique and execution of the exercises. Given your relative newbie status, you could probably lose some fat and not lose much muscle and strength along the way.