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Darkhorse · 12-13-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Anuj

Originally Posted by 0311
Anuj, I'm not strong-arming you on any of this.

initially, it did look like u were. im being honest here.

I was trying in a NICE way to say your line of thinking is fucked up.. Doing RP's for arms, NOT doing pullups (since you have trouble with strength!) yet doing 4x10 lat pulldowns?? I'm sure you'll take offense to that which is fine. Buying a book (that you haven't read yet) and doing 2 whole cycles of DC training doesn't automatically make you an expert enough to start mixing and matching shit (since you don't know WHY).. Experience comes in YEARS of training, not comforming to 10-15 different programs over the last 2-3 years. It seems that you're VERY defensive NOW (compared to a few months ago) as if now (compared to before) you've got it all figured out.

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u are making this into an ego issue which it doesnt need to be made into at all.

LOL. What the fuck are you thinking..

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Just because I've got a little girth certainly doesn't mean I can't stand to learn a little something from Anuj..

u r complaining of me becoming defensive and then this is what u write?

Trust me Anuj, all I was saying is that we all can learn from each other. I was making the fucking JOKE that even though we come from opposite sides of the spectrum (mass/strength), that doesn't mean I can't learn a little thing or two from YOU.

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Originally Posted by Eric

But I can take a guess based on what I do know about their methods that what 0311 said is true.

No, I'm wrong until Anuj reads the entire book which is the deciding factor.

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Originally Posted by Eric

Well, Anuj, I waited to reply hoping the other guys would answer and I got my wish. 0311 and Kane said what I was gonna say.

Glad it's not just me. Everyone sees shit that's fucked up with this, yet I'm the one who is strong arming Anuj??

I don't know whether your 2 cycles of DC training made you so knowledgable or your modship at another forum?? Anyone can be a mod. LOL.. Judging by you AGAIN taking offense to something like this shows me a lot of things about you that have changed..

So go read your book, draw on your extensive knowledge from jumping from program to program, and apply ALL you've learned to create whatever the fuck you're trying to create.. Hopefully Kane and Eric can see the change.. Fuck this....

_Wolf_ · 12-13-2006, 05:43 PM

yes, Fuck this..

EricT · 12-13-2006, 08:50 PM

Before this gets out of hand...

Anuj, when gave you my simple advice about the deadlift on wednesday and the rest-pausing I wasn't going to get into all the programming stuff. When you ask WHY it should really be obvious to you at this point. It really should. So it waited for someone else to answer. So Kane and 0311 not only answer but 0311 went out of his way to dissect what you were doing. He's really trying to help so I was a little surprised that all of this anymosity came out.

Bro, you know good and well that there is not much difference in what he said to you and what I've said to you time and time again. So why is he strong-arming you and why is it about ego or being defensive if it's not with me? Theres no call for any of this stuff and now 0311's pissed and your pissed and lets all take a deep cleansing breath and utter some affirmations

.

To be honest my first thought was to say to just do the basic rippletoe like you mentioned and when you get to your maxes if you need to work on you weaknesses then do a program designed to do that. A full body program is NOT a place to address you hams or any other percieved weakness. Especially something out of Practical Programming. But I didn't bother to get into it.

Then, lo and behold, 0311 said the same exact thing. Now if I had said it to begin with you may not have listened but you would not have been offended. Correct?

If you can progress on these fullbody plans by simple progression of the core movements then do it. If you need to address weaknesses, add volume, or concentrate more on hypertrophy, then do that. But not both at the same time. It doesn't work because that's not how it works. You've got a lot of little birdies singing in your ear and truthfully, sooner or later, you need to ask some of those birdies, "how much did you add to your big three this year?" if you want to think about strength.

On the pullup thing I've gotten into it with people who say I can only do one pullup so I don't do pullups. That's like saying I can only run one mile so I don't run. Or they use a "pullup machine" so I say, wtf, you in rehab? 4X10 pulldowns are glaringly out of place in that program. It doesn't make any sense. Doing deads on monday just because you did it that similar in DC doesn't make sense here. The only things that make sense here are those things that allow you to lift the heaviest, gives you the best recovery, and directly influences your ability to progress on the core lifts.

That would even mean that arms should not be done AT ALL if they proved to be a detriment. That is why arm work is called accessory work. It's like a pair of earrings or a nice Guchi bag

I don't want to be an arbitrator here, but all I can see is a lot of good intentions from everybody.

Joker13 · 12-17-2006, 08:25 AM

Anuj,

I just went through your journal from page 1-18. Maybe you need to do the same, cause you seem pissed off at the people who put the most effort in helping you. I don't want to mention names, cause I don't want to exclude anyone who has helped, but I bet you can write a book if you put all of thier reply's together, they werent short, quick, get this over with answers and sugestions, but well thought out explainations. I'd say starting at post 125 in your journal your attitude about it started going to down

Happy Holidays

nothing personal I realize I'm a nobody@everywhere but just my .02

Darkhorse · 12-17-2006, 10:17 AM

BTW, this thread is only two months old: Program Critique So I'm not just pulling this shit out of my ass. Threads like that was my basis for trying to HELP.... And I'm being sincere.

And if you really look at that thread, it represents a perfect example of me trying to help. I even personally sent you one of my spreadsheets via email to send you in the right direction!..Which I've done MORE than once.. All I ask is that you (and everyone else who posted) read HOW you responded less than two months ago to the same types of critiques layed out in your journal. Two months doesn't change one's experience to the point you're trying to convey..

Have a safe flight!!

_Wolf_ · 12-21-2006, 09:15 PM

0311: my apologies. there have been certain developments in my life which kinda fucked my mind and it came out here. i was wrong. u were right. sorry for being an asshole. well, i am one, but this was me being stupid. sorry.

as to what u were saying: i read the book properly till page 170 on the plane.

u were right:
1.) if i am bothered about strength there is no point looking at things from a bodybuilding standpoint
2.) 4x10 for strength is of no use

ok, so i came up with this weekly plan:

Monday
squat 5x5 pyramiding
bench press 5x5 pyramiding
js rows 5x5 pyramiding

wednesday
squat 4x5 - 3+4th set same weight of 3rd set as per monday's ramping
incline press 5x5 pyramiding
deadlifts 1x5

friday
squat 5x5 same weight (or 5x5 pyramiding - im not sure which)
military press 5x5 pyramiding
pull-ups 3 sets to failure

ok thats it.....5 lbs increments per session, etc....

now ill update u guys:

im currently at home spending quality time with my parents and my gf. our 3rd year and 6 month anniversary was beyond fantastic.

i have learnt it the hard way that sex before a workout is not very good. but right now i really dont give a shit if my workout is bad. even if it is everyday. lol

so, ill be checking in again on jan 10th after whcih ill be neck deep in depression and ill be lifting again regularly.

fuck...i don wanna leave bombay again.....this sucks balls :( :(

hrdgain81 · 12-22-2006, 07:34 AM

Anuj, I just read through all of this, and I have a few words of advice when you return to the states. I am no stranger to depression, so I understand how easily that can get out of hand.

here is what I do when depression starts to really effect my workouts. When your sitting there, looking at your pre workout shake, thinking "man I dont even want to go to the gym, I really just want to curl up in bed" ... grab the shake, go stand in front of the mirror and get pissed off. Get mad as hell at yourself for feeling like that, and gather all that frustration and anger up, and then use it in the gym. Just go crazy on the wieghts.

after that not only will you have gotten in a great workout fueled by rage, but you will have pretty much worked your way out of the depression. Training in that state will booster your mental healthy exponentially.

Give it a try, it works for me. Although i am prone to aggression and anger, so it may be easier for me then some. But if you dig deep enough, its there. Dont let depression get you down, let it light your fire. I hope this helps brotha.

_Wolf_ · 12-22-2006, 12:21 PM

hrdgain: dude, i know what ur saying....but my depression doesnt affect my workouts. its everything OTHER than my workouts that get affected adversely.

Kane · 12-22-2006, 06:41 PM

I would ( and do) follow what hardgain said...instead of standing there with a pwo shake, just stand in front of the mirror and light a fire under your ass...it works for me almost everytime. Like Macheavelie (horrible spelling :S)..The end justifies the means

EricT · 12-22-2006, 06:58 PM

I think Machiavelli would have said "Certain ends justify certain means"

.

12-13-2006, 05:43 PM	#172 (permalink)
_Wolf_ Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 3-5 Years Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas Posts: 3,858 Gender:	yes, Fuck this..
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12-13-2006, 08:50 PM	#173 (permalink)
EricT Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,887 Country: Gender:	Before this gets out of hand... Anuj, when gave you my simple advice about the deadlift on wednesday and the rest-pausing I wasn't going to get into all the programming stuff. When you ask WHY it should really be obvious to you at this point. It really should. So it waited for someone else to answer. So Kane and 0311 not only answer but 0311 went out of his way to dissect what you were doing. He's really trying to help so I was a little surprised that all of this anymosity came out. Bro, you know good and well that there is not much difference in what he said to you and what I've said to you time and time again. So why is he strong-arming you and why is it about ego or being defensive if it's not with me? Theres no call for any of this stuff and now 0311's pissed and your pissed and lets all take a deep cleansing breath and utter some affirmations . To be honest my first thought was to say to just do the basic rippletoe like you mentioned and when you get to your maxes if you need to work on you weaknesses then do a program designed to do that. A full body program is NOT a place to address you hams or any other percieved weakness. Especially something out of Practical Programming. But I didn't bother to get into it. Then, lo and behold, 0311 said the same exact thing. Now if I had said it to begin with you may not have listened but you would not have been offended. Correct? If you can progress on these fullbody plans by simple progression of the core movements then do it. If you need to address weaknesses, add volume, or concentrate more on hypertrophy, then do that. But not both at the same time. It doesn't work because that's not how it works. You've got a lot of little birdies singing in your ear and truthfully, sooner or later, you need to ask some of those birdies, "how much did you add to your big three this year?" if you want to think about strength. On the pullup thing I've gotten into it with people who say I can only do one pullup so I don't do pullups. That's like saying I can only run one mile so I don't run. Or they use a "pullup machine" so I say, wtf, you in rehab? 4X10 pulldowns are glaringly out of place in that program. It doesn't make any sense. Doing deads on monday just because you did it that similar in DC doesn't make sense here. The only things that make sense here are those things that allow you to lift the heaviest, gives you the best recovery, and directly influences your ability to progress on the core lifts. That would even mean that arms should not be done AT ALL if they proved to be a detriment. That is why arm work is called accessory work. It's like a pair of earrings or a nice Guchi bag I don't want to be an arbitrator here, but all I can see is a lot of good intentions from everybody.
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12-17-2006, 08:25 AM	#174 (permalink)
Joker13 Rank: Bantamweight Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Somewhere in the USA Posts: 904 Country: Gender:	Anuj, I just went through your journal from page 1-18. Maybe you need to do the same, cause you seem pissed off at the people who put the most effort in helping you. I don't want to mention names, cause I don't want to exclude anyone who has helped, but I bet you can write a book if you put all of thier reply's together, they werent short, quick, get this over with answers and sugestions, but well thought out explainations. I'd say starting at post 125 in your journal your attitude about it started going to down Happy Holidays nothing personal I realize I'm a nobody@everywhere but just my .02
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12-17-2006, 10:17 AM	#175 (permalink)
Darkhorse Moderator Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CA Posts: 4,116 Country: Gender:	BTW, this thread is only two months old: Program Critique So I'm not just pulling this shit out of my ass. Threads like that was my basis for trying to HELP.... And I'm being sincere. And if you really look at that thread, it represents a perfect example of me trying to help. I even personally sent you one of my spreadsheets via email to send you in the right direction!..Which I've done MORE than once.. All I ask is that you (and everyone else who posted) read HOW you responded less than two months ago to the same types of critiques layed out in your journal. Two months doesn't change one's experience to the point you're trying to convey.. Have a safe flight!! Last edited by Darkhorse; 12-17-2006 at 10:37 AM.
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12-21-2006, 09:15 PM	#176 (permalink)
_Wolf_ Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 3-5 Years Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas Posts: 3,858 Gender:	0311: my apologies. there have been certain developments in my life which kinda fucked my mind and it came out here. i was wrong. u were right. sorry for being an asshole. well, i am one, but this was me being stupid. sorry. as to what u were saying: i read the book properly till page 170 on the plane. u were right: 1.) if i am bothered about strength there is no point looking at things from a bodybuilding standpoint 2.) 4x10 for strength is of no use ok, so i came up with this weekly plan: Monday squat 5x5 pyramiding bench press 5x5 pyramiding js rows 5x5 pyramiding wednesday squat 4x5 - 3+4th set same weight of 3rd set as per monday's ramping incline press 5x5 pyramiding deadlifts 1x5 friday squat 5x5 same weight (or 5x5 pyramiding - im not sure which) military press 5x5 pyramiding pull-ups 3 sets to failure ok thats it.....5 lbs increments per session, etc.... now ill update u guys: im currently at home spending quality time with my parents and my gf. our 3rd year and 6 month anniversary was beyond fantastic. i have learnt it the hard way that sex before a workout is not very good. but right now i really dont give a shit if my workout is bad. even if it is everyday. lol so, ill be checking in again on jan 10th after whcih ill be neck deep in depression and ill be lifting again regularly. fuck...i don wanna leave bombay again.....this sucks balls :( :(
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12-22-2006, 07:34 AM	#177 (permalink)
hrdgain81 Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,658	Anuj, I just read through all of this, and I have a few words of advice when you return to the states. I am no stranger to depression, so I understand how easily that can get out of hand. here is what I do when depression starts to really effect my workouts. When your sitting there, looking at your pre workout shake, thinking "man I dont even want to go to the gym, I really just want to curl up in bed" ... grab the shake, go stand in front of the mirror and get pissed off. Get mad as hell at yourself for feeling like that, and gather all that frustration and anger up, and then use it in the gym. Just go crazy on the wieghts. after that not only will you have gotten in a great workout fueled by rage, but you will have pretty much worked your way out of the depression. Training in that state will booster your mental healthy exponentially. Give it a try, it works for me. Although i am prone to aggression and anger, so it may be easier for me then some. But if you dig deep enough, its there. Dont let depression get you down, let it light your fire. I hope this helps brotha.
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12-22-2006, 12:21 PM	#178 (permalink)
_Wolf_ Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 3-5 Years Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas Posts: 3,858 Gender:	hrdgain: dude, i know what ur saying....but my depression doesnt affect my workouts. its everything OTHER than my workouts that get affected adversely.
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12-22-2006, 06:41 PM	#179 (permalink)
Kane Rank: Lightweight Experience: 3-5 Years Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,596 Country: Gender:	I would ( and do) follow what hardgain said...instead of standing there with a pwo shake, just stand in front of the mirror and light a fire under your ass...it works for me almost everytime. Like Macheavelie (horrible spelling :S)..The end justifies the means
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12-22-2006, 06:58 PM	#180 (permalink)
EricT Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,887 Country: Gender:	I think Machiavelli would have said "Certain ends justify certain means" .
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