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RobS 02-09-2008 12:07 PM

Dfst
 
hi, i am new to the site, the other day one of my roommates showed me the site and after looking around a little bit i have decided to start a training journal so that i can get some outside feedback and some extra training motivation.

i have trained on and off for the past 7 years, but i have only been training with a powerlifting style for the past 6 months or so. before that i had lifted for football and track in high school and then when i got to college i lifted every now and then, but i had no clear purpose. about six months ago my roommate convinced me to start powerlifting with him (not for any meets, more just to get as strong on the bench squat and deadlift as possible) and i loved it. now that a new semester is starting our schedules dont match so we cant lift together so i am working out on my own.

He showed me the DFST program. i started it last week, liked it, and so i decided to run it and see what i could get out of it. currently i am 6'2 and about 245lbs. my maxes are 295 for bench, 435 for squat, and 495 for deadlift (i just got it on tuesday, i was pumped!!!).

my goals for the end of the semester are: bench 315, squat 455, deadlift 525

today is a saturday and i wont be working out again until monday, so i will just post my workout then and open myself up to some criticism :biglaugh:

btw-sorry for the long first post, but i figured it might be helpful to provide some background information

_Wolf_ 02-09-2008 12:10 PM

what is the dfst program you are on?

RobS 02-09-2008 12:12 PM

the program is posted in the powerlifting section of the forum. i think the original posted was 0311

RobS 02-12-2008 11:00 AM

2/11/08 - Upper Body Workout #1

BENCH PRESS 3RM - 280x3
i am pretty sure that bench press is my weakest lift, and even though i know it isn't a very functional lift it is still the lift that i want to improve in the most
FLOOR PRESS 5RM - 240x5
floor press is a lift that i just started doing, i like it a lot, i really feel it in my triceps, but i know i need to work up in weight on it
DB INCLINE BENCH PRESS 3X8-10 - 70x10, 70x10, 70x9
JS ROWS 5X5 - 215x5, 215x5, 215x5, 215x5, 215x5
this is another lift that i am just starting to do, so i wanted to start with a manageable weight and work my way up on it
BARBELL SHRUGS 3X8-10 - 245x10, 245x10, 245x10
i only do shrugs on weeks when my ME effort on tuesday is not deadlift
FACE PULLS 3X8-10 - 120x10, 120x10, 120x10
Question: is there too much of an overlap between shrugs and face pulls to do them both in the same workout?
SKULL CRUSHERS W/ EZ BAR 3X10-12 - 105x12, 105x12, 105x12
EZ BAR CURLS 4X8-10 - 85x10, 85x10, 85x10, 85x10


overall, i think it was a pretty solid workout, i felt drained by the time i was done, especially my triceps

RobS 02-12-2008 11:10 AM

And now for today's workout:

2/12/08 Lower Body Workout #1

OVERHEAD SQUAT 3X3 - 45x3, 45x3, 45x3
i am just starting to do overhead squats, i have a real hard time getting low and them with stumbling all over the place, but i think they are a good exercise to get the blood flowing a little bit and i'm sure i'll get better at them as time goes on
SQUAT 1RM - 445x1
felt pretty good about this lift, i think i could have gotten more, but oh well, next time i guess. also, while warming up for this my boxers ripped, that was pretty uncomfortable for the rest of my workout
GOODMORNINGS 3X5 - 185x5, 185x5, 185x5
LEG CURLS 4X10-12 - 145x12, 145x12, 145x12, 145x12
by the last set of leg curls my hammys were cramping up pretty bad, i think i need to stretch better
HYPEREXTENSIONS 2X10-12 - 35x12, 35x12
by the time i got to this exercise i was dead, my overall level of conditioning blows
WEIGHTED ABS 6 SETS - i did 3 sets for my obliques and 3 sets for the abs in front ( i dont know what to call them other than abs)


again, good workout, i'm feeling real tired, and i am looking forward to my day off tommorow for sure

HIThopper 02-12-2008 09:27 PM

Holy shit thats some weight on the bar bro, NICE :)

widdoes2504 02-13-2008 04:20 AM

Good work RobS!! Keep it up :weights:

iron_worker 02-13-2008 05:58 AM

Ya man, thats something to be proud of. Solid work.

EricT 02-13-2008 06:27 AM

Good stuff.

Overhead squats are for sure a good warmup. They are also pretty much just awesome in every way :). I started doing them a little while back and I'm still working on perfecting them but it has gotten much better. I've decided, in all humbleness, that they are the best flexibility, core training, etc. thing I've ever done. They humble you fast but they give back a lot fast too.

Pitysister 02-13-2008 01:56 PM

nice work man....those goodmornings would crush me.

RobS 02-14-2008 10:50 AM

thanks guys, you know that is one thing i really love about weight lifting, you always can compete against yourself, set goals and try to reach them

RobS 02-14-2008 11:12 AM

and now for today's workout...

2/14/08 - Upper Body Workout #2

SPEED BENCH PRESS 9X3 - 195x3, 195x3, 195x3, 195x3, 195x3, 195x3, 195x3, 195x3, 195x3
for speed bench press i use three slightly different grips: 3 sets with my thumb on the outside ring, 3 sets with my middle finger on the ring, and 3 sets with my pinky finger on the ring. when i do them i lower the weight at my normal rate, but when i touch my chest i try to explode up as fast as possible. also i try to keep my rest time in between sets fairly short (about 45 seconds-60 seconds)
CLOSE-GRIP BENCH PRESS 5RM - 255x5
STANDING DB SHOULDER PRESS 4X5 - 65x5, 65x5, 65x5, 65x5
up until a couple of weeks ago i did all of my overhead pressing with a barbell, i'm thinking that switching it up and using dumbbells sometimes is going to be good for me
WEIGHTED DIPS 2X8-10 - BW+45x8, BW+45x8
next week i'm going to try to up the reps
PULL-UPS ALTERNATED WITH CHIN-UPS 6X5 - 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 5
the set where i did 6 was my last set of pull-ups
CABLE TRICEPS EXTENSION 3X10-12 - 79x12, 79x12, 79x10
SEATED INCLINE DB CURLS 4X8-10 - 35x10, 35x10, 35x10, 35x8

well, thats all i've got in terms of a workout for today.

i'd just like to wish everyone a happy valentines day. i know that guys are not supposed to like valentines day, but i actually don't mind it. i think that it is the easiest holiday not to screw up out of all of the big ones. for example, christmas you need to be creative when picking out a gift, valentines day as long as you show up with flowers your set, new years you need to worry about drinking too much, acting like a dumbass, and pissing the girlfriend off, valentines day there isn't really drinking associated with so you don't have to worry about it. and as long as you dont believe her when she says she doesnt want to make a big deal out of valentines day (she does want you to make a big deal out of it as i learned last year) you'll be fine - so sorry for this little rant, and happy valentines day

EricT 02-14-2008 02:56 PM

Good deal on the speed work. I'd recommend that you don't devote all your speed work all the time to the no pause on the chest way. That is good of course but you are working a lot of plyometric, elastic, or spring string, whatever you want to call it. So it is good also to swith it up and do it WITH a pause on the chest so you can work also on pure starting ability. Two different qualities that will work with each other.

Yeah, the more they say don't make a big deal out of it the bigger the deal they want :)

RobS 02-15-2008 10:56 AM

Good deal on the speed work. I'd recommend that you don't devote all your speed work all the time to the no pause on the chest way. That is good of course but you are working a lot of plyometric, elastic, or spring string, whatever you want to call it. So it is good also to swith it up and do it WITH a pause on the chest so you can work also on pure starting ability. Two different qualities that will work with each other.

^^
that sounds like a pretty good idea, i think next week i'll go with a pause on the chest

RobS 02-15-2008 11:09 AM

2/15/08 Lower Body Workout #2
CLEANS 3X3 - 135x3, 135x3, 135x3
for these i do a kind of hang clean front squat combination, i start by hang cleaning the weight, and then i drop down low into a deep front squat to "catch" it and front squat it up
SQUATS 5X5 - 335x5, 335x5, 335x5, 335x5, 335x5
SPEED DEADLIFT W/ BANDS 6X1 - 275x1, 275x1, 275x1, 275x1, 275x1, 275x1
i dont know how much the bands add in terms of weight, all i know is that when i do speed deadlifts i dont use very heavy bands, or a lot of weight, i just really like to focus on form first and foremost and then also getting good explosion off the floor
LEG CURLS 3X10-12 - 150x12, 150x12, 150x12
the program actually calls for glute ham raises instead of leg curls, but my gym does not have a glute ham machine. also, i have never actually done a glute ham raise, but i've heard they are extremely difficult. with that being said, does anybody know of a way good to do them without having a specific glute ham machine at the gym?
HYPEREXTENSIONS 2X10 - 45x10, 45x10
ABS 6 SETS - 3 sets of weighted cable obliques, 3 sets of weighted decline sit ups

thanks to everyone who has read and left comments during my first week of journaling, have a good weekend

EricT 02-15-2008 02:51 PM

You can do GHR's "ghetto style".

Here is a thread to get you started: http://www.bodybuilding.net/powerlif...t=glute+raises

You don't have to do them exactly like in the pics but that should give you and idea of the basic idea. This will be much tougher than an actual machine. I workout at home so I do them off my high/low pulley station basically with my knees on the seat (with an extra pad).

If this doesn't work out for you you can also bridge the gap a little by combining leg curls and back extensions in a superset. The key to this is you do the back extensions using a tight and set lower back and focusing on hip extension via the glutes rather than lower back extension...pause a bit at the top for a nice tight finish. So back and forth between that and leg curls....

However, ghr's are much better than leg curls by about a hundred times. Back extensions, if done like I described (correctly :D) are of course always useful.

P.S. when I say back extensions I mean "hyperextensions" as I see you are doing. I just don't like the 'hyper' term so I don't use the name. You may be doing them differently than I describe...

RobS 02-18-2008 06:37 PM

^^^
awesome link, i think i'll give those a try tommorow when i do my lower body workout #1

RobS 02-18-2008 06:51 PM

2/18/08 Upper Body Workout #1

BENCH PRESS 5RM - 265x5
i think it's kinda stragnge that today i struggled on my last rep of 265x5 on bench press when last thursday i was able to get close grip bench press 255x5 without much trouble, i'm thinking about bringing my hands a little closer together on regular bench press (right now my middle finger is around the ring on the bar, im thinking of changing to putting my pinky finger around the ring) and really working on my form
FLOOR PRESS 3RM - 250x3
DB BENCH PRESS 3X8-10 - 80x10, 80x10, 80x10
these felt really light, so i cut down on the rest between sets, i'll bump up the weight some more the next time i do them
JS ROWS 5X5 - 220x5, 220x5, 220x5, 220x5, 220x5
DB LATERAL RAISE 3X10 - 30x10, 30x10, 30x10
i do db lateral raises instead of shrugs on mondays when i am planning on having deadlift be my max effort movement on tuesday
FACEPULLS 3X10 - 125x10, 125x10, 125x10
SKULL CRUSHERS 3X10-12 - 105x12, 105x12, 105x8
i didnt take nearly enough time before my last set
EZ BAR CURLS 4X8-10 - 90x10, 90x10, 90x10, 90x8

just a heads-up so everyone can make their plans, it is only 41 days until wrestlemania:biggthumpup:

widdoes2504 02-18-2008 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobS (Post 48842)
just a heads-up so everyone can make their plans, it is only 41 days until wrestlemania:biggthumpup:

Dude, I have kids (and a wife)....I can't plan that far out in advance!! :biglaugh:

RobS 02-19-2008 11:32 AM

2/19/08 Lower Body Workout #1

LIGHT ZERCHER SQUATS 3X5 - 135x5, 135x5, 135x5
when deadlift is my max effort movement i fell like zercher squats are a better movement to warm up with than overhead squats

DEADLIFT 1RM - 500x1
i was pumped to get 500, before this i think i had something of a mental block about deadlifting 500 pounds, but now that i've gotten it i think my deadlifts will be able to progress more rapidly, today after i got 500x1 i went for 515. i got it off the ground, but then my grip gave out, i think if i would have taken a longer break i might have been able to get it

GOODMORNINGS 3X5 - 190x5, 190x5, 190x5

GLUTE HAM RAISES - 5???
i tried the "ghetto glute ham raises" that eric3237 provided a link to and i didn't get any complete reps, i was able to lower my self while under control for 5 reps, but i couldn't get back up without pushing off the floor, i'm going to keep working on them, and hopefully in the future i'll be able to get some complete full reps

LEG CURLS 3X10-12 - 155x12, 155x12, 155x12
i did the leg curls b/c i didn't think that i actually got any reps on the glute hame raises

HYPEREXTENSIONS 2X10-12 - 45x12, 45x12

ABS - 6 sets done
3 weighted obliques, 3 weighted abs

EricT 02-19-2008 01:13 PM

Sounds about right on the GHR's. Be warned though that the negative portion of them as you lower under control is plenty to produce a lot of ham soreness so it may not be such a great idea to throw in the leg curls. Should be fine and of course it depends on just how slow the negative were...but don't discount it!

If you got on a 'machine' you'd be able to knock out full reps no problem...but I've also seen 12 to 14 year old girls doing that so....

Pitysister 02-19-2008 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric3237 (Post 48877)
.but I've also seen 12 to 14 year old girls doing that so....

which puts it on my "to do" list..... :)

i tried a few saturday...not on a machine...and my negative was super slow anyways...2 reps was enough to make my hams feels it for a few days.

RobS 02-20-2008 06:41 PM

hahaha, wow those must be some badass 14 year old girls b/c the five that i did on tuesday kicked my ass, my hams were real sore when i woke up this morning and i can still feel them now

EricT 02-21-2008 09:09 AM

LOL, I meant on the dedicated machines. Ghetto style is way tougher is what I meant.

RobS 02-21-2008 10:33 AM

haha ok gottcha

RobS 02-21-2008 10:47 AM

2/21/08 Upper Body Workout #2

SPEED BENCH PRESS 9X3 - 170x3, 170x3, 170x3, 170x3, 170x3, 170x3, 170x3, 170x3, 170x3
i really focused on form and bringing it down to the same point on my chest every single rep when i was doing these today, also i took eric3237's suggestion and paused on my chest before exploding up, i think that will help my push out a lot, also i wasn't sure how long to pause on the bottom so i just went with a quick count of 1, 2 in my head and then pushed the bar off my chest

CLOSE GRIP BENCH PRESS 5RM - 260x5
on one hand i'm happy that my close grip bench is going up so well, but on the other hand i'm not sure why my bench press 5rm is only 5lbs higher. does anybody else have this problem or any ideas why they are so close in weight?

STANDING DB SHOULDER PRESS 4X5 - 70x5, 70x4, 65x5, 65x5
i dropped the weight down so that i could make sure i got all the reps in my 3rd and 4th sets

WEIGHTED DIPS 2X8 - bw+45x8, bw+45x7

ALTERNATING PULL UPS AND CHIN UPS 6 SETS - 6, 6, 6, 6, 5, 4

CABLE TRICEPS EXTENSION 3X10-12 - 79x12, 79x12, 79x12

SEATED DB CURLS 4X8-10 - 35x10, 35x10, 35x10, 35x8

the workout went pretty well today, i liked pausing on the speed bench press, i think i'm going to keep doing that next week

RobS 02-21-2008 10:53 AM

oh - i just thought of this, DFST program calls for speed deadlift on the friday workout, but i did deadlift as my ME movement on tuesday. is that too much deadlifting for one week? i think it might be, but i'm not sure what to replace it with, any ideas?

Kane 02-21-2008 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobS (Post 49074)
oh - i just thought of this, DFST program calls for speed deadlift on the friday workout, but i did deadlift as my ME movement on tuesday. is that too much deadlifting for one week? i think it might be, but i'm not sure what to replace it with, any ideas?

I would say that the DE deads would help with your ME deads. Personally I would leave them in. Another option I like is doing goodmornings as an ME.

RobS 02-22-2008 07:42 AM

went out to the bars last night, $5 all you can drink, i feel like shit, i'm not sure how well my workout is going to go today

widdoes2504 02-22-2008 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobS (Post 49074)
oh - i just thought of this, DFST program calls for speed deadlift on the friday workout, but i did deadlift as my ME movement on tuesday. is that too much deadlifting for one week? i think it might be, but i'm not sure what to replace it with, any ideas?

I don't think it will be too much personally, but like Kane said goodmornings might be an alternative for you if you are dead set against deads. :weights:

HIThopper 02-22-2008 02:50 PM

Quote:

CLOSE GRIP BENCH PRESS 5RM - 260x5
on one hand i'm happy that my close grip bench is going up so well, but on the other hand i'm not sure why my bench press 5rm is only 5lbs higher. does anybody else have this problem or any ideas why they are so close in weight?
Nice 5rm first of all :).Also I just started doing close grips and I set an all time bench PR for weight on them in my 1st week!!!, so IDK why they are as strong if not stronger than a normal grip bench LOL But Ill take any PR I can get!

Ross86 02-22-2008 03:13 PM

How close together are your hands? When I do close hand bp, my hands are about 5" apart and my thumbs are behind the bar with the rest of my fingers. To be that close to your normal numbers, you would have to be somewhat wide still.

EricT 02-22-2008 04:20 PM

^^^dude, that is a wrist problem waiting to happen. Close grip means a little closer not ridicuously close. And to add insult to injury you place your thumbs behind so that your wrists are even more rotated and vulnerable.

Close grip bench is basically shoulder width. The narrower you 'best' bench grip is the less the difference will tend to be. Some people go just a bit narrower than shoulder width for close grip but anymore and it ain't worth it.

RobS 02-23-2008 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HIThopper (Post 49180)
Nice 5rm first of all :).Also I just started doing close grips and I set an all time bench PR for weight on them in my 1st week!!!, so IDK why they are as strong if not stronger than a normal grip bench LOL But Ill take any PR I can get!

first of all, congrats on the pr, and i'm happy to hear i'm not the only person with similar bench and close grip bench numbers

RobS 02-23-2008 05:45 AM

2/22/08 Lower Body Workout #2

HANGCLEANS/FRONT SQUAT 3X5 - 135x5, 135x5, 135x5
i really, really like using this exercise to start off my workout

SQUATS 5=>5 - 295x5, 315x5, 325x5, 335x5, 345x5
i wasn't feeling all that great b/c i was a dumbass and went out drinking the night before so instead of doing a 5x5 with the same weight, i worked my way up in weight to about 5lbs more than i was planning on doing today, next week i'll go back to using the same weight for every set

SPEED (RACK)DEADLIFT 6X1 - 315x1, 315x1, 315x1, 315x1, 315x1, 315x1
i saw that you guys thought that it wouldn't be too much deadlift for one week so i kept the speed deadlift, except this week i did it without any bands and i did pulls from a power rack with the bar set about 3" below my knees

GHR 3X3 - bwx3, bwx3, bwx3
wow these are tough, by the last set i had to use my arms to push myself up quite a bit, but i'm still feeling them in my hamstrings today i'm guessing they did something

HYPEREXTENSIONS 2X10-12 - bw+45x12, bw+45x12

ABS - 3 sets of weighted obliques with a 45lb plate, 2 sets of weighted decline sit ups, 1 set of crunches on a swiss ball with a 25lb plate

widdoes2504 02-23-2008 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric3237 (Post 49193)
^^^dude, that is a wrist problem waiting to happen. Close grip means a little closer not ridicuously close. And to add insult to injury you place your thumbs behind so that your wrists are even more rotated and vulnerable.

Close grip bench is basically shoulder width. The narrower you 'best' bench grip is the less the difference will tend to be. Some people go just a bit narrower than shoulder width for close grip but anymore and it ain't worth it.

Eric hit the nail on the head. Close grip has its place (I use it a lot), but going to close and bad placement can lead to serious injury. I have seen people load the bar and then lose their grip because of a false grip (thumb behind the bar).

By all means use the movement, but do it smart. Good luck. :weights:

Pitysister 02-23-2008 02:37 PM

how wide do you guys go on regular bench? i been doing mine on shoulder width...

RobS 02-23-2008 03:05 PM

for me on regular bench press i wrap my middle finger around the mall smooth ring in the bar, on close grip bench i usually bring my hands in to the point where i have my thumbs wrapped around the outside edge of the inner smooth ring on the bar, i dont have a bar right here in front of me to look at but i think that puts my hands at about 18" apart

TALO 02-23-2008 03:16 PM

regular grip I do the pinky on the edge of the rings. I dont do close grip.

RobS 02-25-2008 07:32 PM

2/25/08 Upper Body Workout 1

BENCH PRESS 5RM - 270x5*
when i went for the 5rm i had one of the student athletic trainers spot me, the first 3 reps went up nice and smooth, the fourth rep was a little slower but i got it up, then when it came to the fifth rep i brought the bar down, touched my chest, and while it was on the way up the spotter started touching the bar:wtf: admittedly the bar was going up slow, but it was going up none-the-less and i think i could have gotten it if he hadn't touched the bar, so now next week i am going to have to go for a clean 270x5 again

FLOOR PRESS 3RM - 255x3
this lift was real tough, so i'm real happy that i got it

DB INCLINE BENCH PRESS 3X8-10 - 70x10, 70x10, 70x9
didn't take enough rest time before the last set b/c the first two sets went up pretty easily so i guess i didn't think that i'd need to rest as much for the last set, i was wrong

JS ROWS 5X5 - 225x5, 225x5, 225x5, 225x5, 225x5

BARBELL SHRUGS 3X8-10 - 255x10, 255x10, 255x10

FACEPULLS 3X8-10 - 132x10, 132x10, 132x10
i'm starting to really, really like doing this lift

SKULLCRUCHERS 3X10-12 - 105x12, 105x12, 105x12

EZ BAR CURLS 3X8-10 - 90x10, 90x10, 90x10, 90x10*
on the last set i got the first 8 reps and then i just stood and held the weight, counted to 10 in my head, and got the last 2 reps so i figured i'd count that as getting all 10 reps


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