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Old 02-27-2009, 09:09 PM   #391
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your chest wasn't pushed out
Yeah, I was going to ask about that.. I push my chest out, but as soon as I reach and grab the bar, I loose it, unless I really bend my legs, and then I feel off balance..

Next video I'll try it again and see how I can make this happen..

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and what happened with your warm up sets?
I thought you weren't supposed to do alot of warm up sets for DL's..

Or is that you're not supposed to do alot of WORKING sets with DL's?

Uh-oh... My bad.. :(

Gotta start reading other people's journals, and re-reading the SS book..

I also ordered the new edition of Ahnuld's Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding..

I'll stick to 135 then, till I can get this straight..

I figured if the weights were too light I wouldn't really feel what muscles are working..
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Old 02-27-2009, 09:21 PM   #392
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you're not going to learn anything useful in Arnolds book and if i'm any judge, it's gonna confuse the fuck out of you because it is just about as opposite as one can get from the stuff you read in SS!!!

but the pics are probably good.

what would lead you to conclude that one wouldnt want to be properly warmed up for deads, one of the hardest and most taxing movements??????????? yes yes yes re-read SS!!!!!!

if you do 5 sets of 5 reps with 135 you'll feel what muscles are working and you'll get some much needed practice.

Ross86 - i think because of Dougs long legs he'll always look like his butt is too high in relation to a shorter person like me who's butt is low even when they're standing straight up. just my opinion. i still say that first rep was a decent starting position as far as his hips, knees and butt go.

you're right though, he isnt setting the back properly which of course entails arch, chest out, et etc just as you pointed out.

Doug put your copy of SS in the shitter and read that chapter everytime you use the can dammit! it isnt the last word on deads or anything else but it's a good starting point!

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Old 02-27-2009, 09:26 PM   #393
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Feb 27/09

10 min w/u run.

SQUATS

BARx5x2
65x5x1
85x4x1
135x3x1
155x2x1
175x2x1
195x1x1
215x1x1
225x5x3

That's the first time I was really glad I had those stopper bars under me those last couple reps.. My form must be getting better..

Definately getting a bit deeper than when I first started..

I really appreciate Ross's tip.. Concentrating on shooting my ass backwards rather than my knees forwards has really taken the pressure off my knees, and I no longer have any soreness there afterword (knock on wood!).

PRESS

BARx5x1
65x4x1
85x3x1
105x2x1
125x1x1
135x3x3

Last one of those.. Next time I'll go back to 125x5's..

CHIN UPS

5x5

Definately more exhausted after the 10, 5, 5's, so I'll stick with them..

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Old 02-27-2009, 09:32 PM   #394
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you're not going to learn anything useful in Arnolds book and if i'm any judge, it's gonna confuse the fuck out of you because it is just about as opposite as one can get from the stuff you read in SS!!!
I'm fearing this, and by no means will I be abandoning the SS method after reading it..

But I want to understand what that guy was talking about when he told me that more sets less reps is better than going to exhaustion on every set..

If nothing else, it will be nostalgic.. I remember this book from when I was a teenager.. Though I imagine this new edition will look quite different..

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what would lead you to conclude that one wouldnt want to be properly warmed up for deads, one of the hardest and most taxing movements??????????? yes yes yes re-read SS!!!!!!
I was a bit disappointed that there was very little on programming in the book..

What I did remember (there's alot to take in, and I've read it twice!) about DL's and programing was that BECAUSE it is so taxing, you didn't want to do more than 1 working set (yes, my fault, I got warm-up sets and working sets mixed up)..

The only reason I did 2 sets of the 185 was because I thought it was so relatively light, and I wasn't really exhausting myself..

I'll take the SS book apart every opportunity I can from now on (few and far between for me right now, unfortunately, but there's no excuses!!).
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Old 02-28-2009, 07:28 AM   #395
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Ross86 - i think because of Dougs long legs he'll always look like his butt is too high in relation to a shorter person like me who's butt is low even when they're standing straight up. just my opinion. i still say that first rep was a decent starting position as far as his hips, knees and butt go.
I think it's the lack of arch that's throwing me off.
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When I looked at the SS book, there was a picture of a tall guy in the starting position, and a short guy, and there was quite a difference in stances..

By arch, you mean lower back, right?
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Its true. The length of his limbs is throwing us off a bit. However, I think a couple of the reps in the vid had acceptable starting position but you are driving your hips/ass up without straightening your back at the same time. So you're getting right back to that bad position with your hips too high just a bit later into the pull. The straightening of your back and the straightening of your legs should be coordinated so they are happening at a pretty much the same time and rate.

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i think Rip did the smart thing by not inculdng much programming in SS. When you consider how much info there is already to digest, understand and then apply to your training, adding in a comprehensive programming section would just be way too much for one book imo. but at your stage of the game what's there is a fine starting point. it isnt perfect and you've already tweeked some things with the help of the guys here to better suit your particular needs anyway.

the problem with Arnold's book and basically ALL books written by pro or former pro BBers and all the major BBing publications is that they recommend routines and supplements for the general population that are/were used by genetic freaks taking drugs. the rules are completely different for us but they do everything possible to keep that little tidbit of info from getting out!

as far as your deads go right now Doug, i would stop worrying about "exhausting yourself" and put all your focus on getting your form down.

i'm not sure where this "exhaustion" mentality is coming from anyway. My mom's aerobic class does endless reps of curls, kickbacks and lateral raises with 2lb DB's and the ladies are drenched in sweat and thoroughly "exhausted" at the end of class but are they getting stronger? nope!
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Old 03-01-2009, 11:26 AM   #400
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[QUOTE]i'm not sure where this "exhaustion" mentality is coming from anyway.[/QUOTE

By exhaustion I don't mean dripping with sweat.. I mean lifting as much as you can for as long as you can..

ie. doing 10 chin ups at once, rather than 5 x 2..

I thought that's how you get muscle growth, by fatiguing the muscle..

Notice I don't talk about exhaustion with DL's or anything..

I wasn't doing the heavier weights to break a sweat (not that I wasn't sweating).

I have no problem doing the lighter weights more often, till I get the form right..
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